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Atheism, Stalin, and "without God anything goes"

A couple of days ago, I was reading the comments to a post on The Frame Problem which, like one of mine, included this comic:

The replies, over there, were a little more like those I had expected here.

First, there came the usual “Stalin / Hitler did this, so atheism is even worse” argument, a.k.a. “I completely missed the point of the comic”. The point is that the comic’s panels suggest several hypothetic (and completely non-existent) atrocities actually made in the name of atheism — and whose equivalents were, in real life, made in the name of religion. That’s completely different from atrocities made by believers or atheists but not in the name of (or because of) their religion or atheism.

When someone pointed out that there’s no relation between Stalin’s atheism and his atrocities (Hitler was a Catholic), then this little gem came up:

They decided that there was no god and realized that they were therefore permitted to do anything they wanted

And this is where I believe all discussion with that person should end. Because he or she, at that point, has gone between a mere logical confusion (going from “atheists did this” to “atheism causes this”) to actual immorality. That person doesn’t see any reason for not “doing anything they want” other than fear of being spanked by the sky daddy. No reason to help and care for other human beings, except that God supposedly commanded so. No reason for not going into a killing spree, except that they don’t want to go to hell.

This, ladies and gents, is absolutely sickening — not to mention worrying (what if they ever lose their faith? no one in the vicinity would be safe…). And they don’t even get that.

I’d like to suggest to fellow nonbelievers that, when told that “atheism leads to evil (because without god anything goes”), or confronted yet again with the Stalin argument (which really amounts to the same: “they killed people because they didn’t fear divine punishment”), they reply with something like the following:

You have just stated that you, yourself, see no reason not to commit mass murder, other than fear of going to hell. Therefore, you have shown yourself to be a psychopathic monster, and I am not interested in continuing a discussion with the likes of you.

I know I’ll be using it in the future, because, sure as hell, believers will continue to compare my morality (or, in their eyes, lack thereof) to Stalin’s.

The point of the Hitler and Stalin Cliché

Alonzo Fyfe, of the excellent Atheist Ethicist blog, wrote, a a few days ago, a post called The Hitler and Stalin Cliché. As Alonzo writes, that cliché

[...] is the argument that there is something fundamentally and foundationally wrong with atheism because Hitler and Stalin were atheists – and look what they did.

Alonzo’s post, in a nutshell, says the following: that it’s useless for atheists to give “history lessons” to believers, since they a) don’t really care about history or any of those pesky “facts” stuff, and b) they are already inclined to distrust atheists (they see us as “enemies of God”, “servants of Satan”, and so on). Besides, he writes, by saying “but Hitler wasn’t an atheist!”, you are, in a way, implying that, if he were, you would be responsible for it. According to Alonzo, that’s the point we should address: that atheists aren’t responsible for Stalin’s purges, much like modern Christians aren’t responsible for the Inquisition and the Crusades.

I can’t disagree with any of the above. However… I feel that Alonzo may be missing the point of what the theists’ accusations really mean.

It’s not a question of guilt by association. They’re not blaming us for Stalin’s atrocities. What they’re saying is that atheism leads to atrocities like Stalin’s. And that point, I think, really needs to be addressed.

Now, the detail we go into depends on whom we’re talking with. Talking to a believer who is honestly trying to understand atheists and atheism is completely different from defending ourselves from someone who demonizes us and accuses us (and “godlessness”) of being the cause of all the evil in the world. (In fact, arguing with the latter is probably a waste of time.)

We can say, as Alonzo indeed writes further down his post, that atheism says nothing about morality. All it means is that there is no God, therefore, pleasing a deity — or being afraid of it — shouldn’t enter into our decisions. Atheism isn’t a set of moral rules — and it isn’t meant to be. In my opinion, that needs to be explained to any honestly curious believer.

Now, if we accept the above, then when someone says that “X did something bad because of his atheism”, he or she can only mean one thing: that there was no fear of eternal punishment preventing the atheist from doing that. As I said in Without belief in an afterlife / fear of hell, how can people be moral?, that’s a pretty lousy source of morality, and only makes believers look bad, since the implication is that they would be stealing, raping, killing, and committing all other kinds of atrocities if they weren’t afraid of hell. And, so, they believe that that’s exactly what atheists do all the time, since we’re not afraid of divine punishment. That’s what they’re implying when they use Stalin as an example of “atheist morality”.

The point should not be, indeed, whether Stalin was an atheist or not, but whether his actions were in any way related to his atheism. Since atheism says nothing about morality (much like “Santa isn’t real” doesn’t), I say that they weren’t.

Interestingly, there are actually many parallels between Stalinism and Abrahamic religions, including rituals, the worship of a father figure, pictures of Stalin (or Jesus, or a cross, or…) in every home, the acceptance of a lot of irrationality as non-questionable dogma, and a deep distrust of scientists, intellectuals, and of skepticism in general. After all, a religion doesn’t really need a supernatural element… and I think I could build a case for Stalinism as a religion. But I’ll leave that for a future post. :)




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