Posts Tagged ‘morality’

Religion and the Moral Zeitgeist

Friday, April 11th, 2008

The first time I was faced with the term “Moral Zeitgeist” was when reading Richard Dawkins’ The God Delusion, and, according to Wikipedia, the term was indeed coined by him. “Zeitgeist” is a German word that means “the spirit of the times”, and, therefore, the Moral Zeitgeist refers to the evolution of society’ views on morality.

Dawkins himself provides a perfect example of how the Moral Zeitgeist has changed throughout history (which I’ve again stolen from Wikipedia):

Slavery, which was taken for granted in the Bible and throughout most of history, was abolished in civilized countries in the nineteenth century. All civilized nations now accept what was widely denied up to the 1920s, that a woman’s vote, in an election or on a jury, is the equal of a man’s. In today’s enlightened societies (a category that manifestly does not include, for example, Saudi Arabia), women are no longer regarded as property, as they clearly were in biblical times. Any modern legal system would have prosecuted Abraham for child abuse.

In TGD, Dawkins also provides quotes from people who were, in their time, seen as progressive liberals, such as Thomas Huxley or Abraham Lincoln, but which nowadays make one cringe and gasp in shock because of their racism or sexism. This all shows one thing: our perceptions have changed. What was accepted, even seen as highly moral, many years ago, is now seen as abusive and immoral. This does not happen instantly (though it’s more quick than it may appear, especially in recent years, with mass communication and, now, the Internet), nor to the same degree in all places, of course. And changes are not always for the better (e.g. political correctness, which often prevents people from calling things what they are). But, in general, they are. Things do become better. Societies are far from perfect, but people today have more empathy than they used to have, centuries or even decades ago. Racism and sexism are condemned, have been erased from law books, and those who are still racists or sexists are seen as the bigots they are by educated people. We understand, more than we used to in the past, that life is precious, and that the suffering of other people is as real as ours, even if they look different or have different customs.

Note that I am not saying that morality itself is subjective. Slavery didn’t “become” wrong only in the 19th century, it was always a cruel, brutal suppression of basic human rights. What I’m saying is that the general public’s views on morality have changed, and will continue to change — mostly for the better. One consequence of this is that people might be excused for supporting slavery 500 years ago, but nowadays there’s absolutely no excuse, because they ought to know better.

Of course, the very fact that the Moral Zeitgeist changes and evolves with time proves one thing clearly: that most religious believers don’t get their morality from religion. (Those that do, in the western world, usually have “Phelps” somewhere in their name.) The morality in, say, the Christian Bible is nothing special for its time; not more enlightened, not more advanced or progressive (do believers really think that, before the 10 Commandments, everyone thought that murder was a pretty neat idea?), not “radical” in any way. Jesus himself might sound different, but what he was preaching was mostly an apocalyptic cult whose believers expected the end of the world in their lifetimes; it was Paul that turned Christianity into a religion, with — much like other contemporary religions such as Judaism — all the sexism and support of slavery that was the norm at the time.

While most believers today don’t get their morality from religion or the Bible at all (which is a good thing, too), many still think that they do. But, in fact, their morality mostly fits in with the current moral Zeitgeist. Beliefs such as “God is love”, “God loves everyone” and “God wants us to be happy and free” have no Biblical basis at all; they were made up by believers when society came to appreciate those ideas.

Of course, there are some who do cling, to a degree, to parts of Biblical morality. That is why, for example, churches before the American Civil War opposed emancipation; after all, weren’t people of color the descendents of Ham, condemned to slavery in Genesis? Wasn’t slavery Biblical? Didn’t Paul command slaves to obey their masters?

What about sexism? Well, the Bible clearly states — both in the OT and the NT — that women are the property of men. Who are we to change God’s law? Women should stay at home, not speak in church, and never have authority over men. Guess who opposed equal rights the most.

And don’t get me started on gay marriage.

Of course, eventually even the churches relent, when society has advanced so much that they risk becoming irrelevant. The Mormon church used to forbid black priests; that changed… and, according to them, it was due to a “new revelation”. Christian churches now want to take credit for the end of slavery (because “God loves everyone”, of course), when they were its biggest supporters back then. Churches these days don’t prevent black people from entering, or women from speaking. But all that happened later than with the rest of society. Religion based on scripture, revelation and authority is by nature conservative, and only evolves when forced to, when they are so displaced from society that they face possible obsoleteness or even extinction. One could say that religion, in general, is always behind the Moral Zeitgeist, because it is religion that is always the last to change. And that’s in the west; note how Islam resists change and clings to 13th century morality. They do it through force, fear, and isolation; the more people know, the more they question. The imams know perfectly well how Christianity lost many of its privileges in the west, and want to avoid a similar fate at all costs.

Now, if religion has to follow the rest of society or become irrelevant, if more and more of its original morality is nowadays obsolete and ignored… if society’s views on morality are always in front of religion in terms of progress, and religion has to play catch up… if you realize that in 10 or 20 years the Moral Zeitgeist will have shifted even more, and will be even more different from religion’s original tenets, forcing it to keep adapting… why not dismiss religion as a source of morality altogether?

Atheism, Stalin, and "without God anything goes"

Monday, March 3rd, 2008

A couple of days ago, I was reading the comments to a post on The Frame Problem which, like one of mine, included this comic:

The replies, over there, were a little more like those I had expected here.

First, there came the usual “Stalin / Hitler did this, so atheism is even worse” argument, a.k.a. “I completely missed the point of the comic”. The point is that the comic’s panels suggest several hypothetic (and completely non-existent) atrocities actually made in the name of atheism — and whose equivalents were, in real life, made in the name of religion. That’s completely different from atrocities made by believers or atheists but not in the name of (or because of) their religion or atheism.

When someone pointed out that there’s no relation between Stalin’s atheism and his atrocities (Hitler was a Catholic), then this little gem came up:

They decided that there was no god and realized that they were therefore permitted to do anything they wanted

And this is where I believe all discussion with that person should end. Because he or she, at that point, has gone between a mere logical confusion (going from “atheists did this” to “atheism causes this”) to actual immorality. That person doesn’t see any reason for not “doing anything they want” other than fear of being spanked by the sky daddy. No reason to help and care for other human beings, except that God supposedly commanded so. No reason for not going into a killing spree, except that they don’t want to go to hell.

This, ladies and gents, is absolutely sickening — not to mention worrying (what if they ever lose their faith? no one in the vicinity would be safe…). And they don’t even get that.

I’d like to suggest to fellow nonbelievers that, when told that “atheism leads to evil (because without god anything goes”), or confronted yet again with the Stalin argument (which really amounts to the same: “they killed people because they didn’t fear divine punishment”), they reply with something like the following:

You have just stated that you, yourself, see no reason not to commit mass murder, other than fear of going to hell. Therefore, you have shown yourself to be a psychopathic monster, and I am not interested in continuing a discussion with the likes of you.

I know I’ll be using it in the future, because, sure as hell, believers will continue to compare my morality (or, in their eyes, lack thereof) to Stalin’s.

Pro-Forced Maternity

Friday, May 25th, 2007

A little more than a year ago, I wrote a post called “Letting the Bad Guys Name Things“, warning about an increasingly common tactic: name something bad after something uncontestably positive, and your opponents will be reticent to speak against it, even if they realize how badly named it is. For instance, pass a law removing freedoms from people, but call it “Freedom Something”, and everyone will stay silent, because nobody want to be seen as “anti-freedom”. A well-known example is the Patriot Act.

But this post is about another one: “pro-life”. It’s a misleading label, of course, since what they are really about is banning sex outside of marriage, for religious reasons. (Either that, or they haven’t really thought about it, and just go with what feels good: “we’re saving lives!”). Still, it’s a well-chosen one (in marketing terms). After all, who wants to be seen as “anti-life”? That sounds almost like a murderer, or something…

The “antidote” to this problem is to refuse to use their misleading terms, and, instead, call things what they really are. I could give many examples here about the Bush administration, the “war on terror”, the invasion of Iraq, the fact that abortion clinic bombers aren’t called “Christian terrorists”, and so on. But what this post is really about is a term the author of No More Hornets came up with: Pro-Forced Maternity.

I believe this term is infinitely more honest and accurate than “pro-life”. It’s describes what they really want, what they really are about. Not “life”, but control. To force others. And, so, I think we atheists / humanists / secularists ought to spread it. Refuse to use their misleading terms, and describe things as they really are.

So, please, if you agree with this, help spreading the word. Write / blog about this, start using “pro-forced maternity” in conversations, and correct others when they use the common, misleading term (much like the Patriot Act isn’t really about “patriotism”). If this ever reaches the mainstream media (which is perfectly possible), even if they try to “denounce” it as evil secularist propaganda, it could make a lot of people think about this for the first time, and see the “pro-lifers” pro-forced maternity people for what they really are: anti-life, and anti-individual freedom.

Abraham and Isaac

Wednesday, May 2nd, 2007

The story of Abraham and Isaac, in the Old Testament, is one of the best known in the Bible. Abraham and his wife can’t have a child until old age, then miraculously they have a son, and then God tells Abraham to sacrifice his long-awaited child, which he accepts without question. At the last possible moment, God tells Abraham to stop, as it was all just a test, and to sacrifice an animal instead.

Incredibly enough, Abraham’s actions are considered “good” by most Christians, even though we probably value human life quite higher than we did thousands — or even hundreds — of years ago. However, due to precisely the latter fact, many people explain that part of the bible as “not literal”, “just an allegory”, or “simply a moral lesson”.

Vjack of Atheist Revolution addresses that contradiction: even if that is just “an allegory”, it’s an allegory to what? Certainly, in modern moral terms, there’s nothing to learn from a father ready to kill his infant child. Besides, many Christians don’t believe it to be “just an allegory”: many fundamentalists, especially in America, believe in the Bible (with all its absurdities, atrocities and contradictions) literally.

As for choosing which parts of the Bible to take literally and which ones not to, I have addressed it in the past, such as here. In short: if you accept that the Bible is the inspired word of God, then, for a human to decide which parts come from God and which don’t, or to decide which are literal and which aren’t, is an act of supreme arrogance, it’s believing you “know better than God”.

But what about the morality of this tale, itself?

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Bligbi: "If it wasn’t for Hell, I’d kill you but that doesn’t make me a bad person"

Monday, April 23rd, 2007

Remember this Atheism FAQ entry, Without belief in an afterlife / fear of hell, how can people be moral?? The common argument (which theists keep using, without even noticing what it really says about them) that an atheist doesn’t have any reason to be moral, since he doesn’t believe in heaven or hell? In other words, that there is no morality without the supernatural, and that “morality” is simply not doing things due to fear of punishment?

Bligbi has said shortened that argument — and its implication — in a simple, brilliant way: If it wasn’t for Hell, I’d kill you but that doesn’t make me a bad person.

The point of the Hitler and Stalin Cliché

Monday, March 19th, 2007

Alonzo Fyfe, of the excellent Atheist Ethicist blog, wrote, a a few days ago, a post called The Hitler and Stalin Cliché. As Alonzo writes, that cliché

[...] is the argument that there is something fundamentally and foundationally wrong with atheism because Hitler and Stalin were atheists – and look what they did.

Alonzo’s post, in a nutshell, says the following: that it’s useless for atheists to give “history lessons” to believers, since they a) don’t really care about history or any of those pesky “facts” stuff, and b) they are already inclined to distrust atheists (they see us as “enemies of God”, “servants of Satan”, and so on). Besides, he writes, by saying “but Hitler wasn’t an atheist!”, you are, in a way, implying that, if he were, you would be responsible for it. According to Alonzo, that’s the point we should address: that atheists aren’t responsible for Stalin’s purges, much like modern Christians aren’t responsible for the Inquisition and the Crusades.

I can’t disagree with any of the above. However… I feel that Alonzo may be missing the point of what the theists’ accusations really mean.

It’s not a question of guilt by association. They’re not blaming us for Stalin’s atrocities. What they’re saying is that atheism leads to atrocities like Stalin’s. And that point, I think, really needs to be addressed.

Now, the detail we go into depends on whom we’re talking with. Talking to a believer who is honestly trying to understand atheists and atheism is completely different from defending ourselves from someone who demonizes us and accuses us (and “godlessness”) of being the cause of all the evil in the world. (In fact, arguing with the latter is probably a waste of time.)

We can say, as Alonzo indeed writes further down his post, that atheism says nothing about morality. All it means is that there is no God, therefore, pleasing a deity — or being afraid of it — shouldn’t enter into our decisions. Atheism isn’t a set of moral rules — and it isn’t meant to be. In my opinion, that needs to be explained to any honestly curious believer.

Now, if we accept the above, then when someone says that “X did something bad because of his atheism”, he or she can only mean one thing: that there was no fear of eternal punishment preventing the atheist from doing that. As I said in Without belief in an afterlife / fear of hell, how can people be moral?, that’s a pretty lousy source of morality, and only makes believers look bad, since the implication is that they would be stealing, raping, killing, and committing all other kinds of atrocities if they weren’t afraid of hell. And, so, they believe that that’s exactly what atheists do all the time, since we’re not afraid of divine punishment. That’s what they’re implying when they use Stalin as an example of “atheist morality”.

The point should not be, indeed, whether Stalin was an atheist or not, but whether his actions were in any way related to his atheism. Since atheism says nothing about morality (much like “Santa isn’t real” doesn’t), I say that they weren’t.

Interestingly, there are actually many parallels between Stalinism and Abrahamic religions, including rituals, the worship of a father figure, pictures of Stalin (or Jesus, or a cross, or…) in every home, the acceptance of a lot of irrationality as non-questionable dogma, and a deep distrust of scientists, intellectuals, and of skepticism in general. After all, a religion doesn’t really need a supernatural element… and I think I could build a case for Stalinism as a religion. But I’ll leave that for a future post. :)

FAQ: Without God / religion / the Bible, how can people be moral?

Thursday, March 1st, 2007

(Note: this is not the same as the similar-sounding Without belief in an afterlife / fear of hell, how can people be moral?. That one is about behaving because of fear of punishment; this one is about the common belief by theists that people get their moral rules from God / religion / the Bible.)

It may come as a surprise to you, but if you’re a caring, loving person who makes people around you happy, you’re not getting that from religion. In fact, it’s much the opposite.

If your religion is simply “I believe God is like a loving father who wants us to be kind to each other”, then, while you’re much healthier than many other believers, you are making that religion up. You are inventing it, creating it. Or, else, your priest or pastor, who taught you about God and religion, did so.

Because “just be kind to one another” is a philosophy that finds no support in the Bible. That’s not what the Christian god — especially, but not only, in the Old Testament — is about. Not in the least.

According to the Bible — and, again, if you ignore it, you’re making up your own religion –, God really thinks women are inferior to men. He thinks slavery is OK. He thinks people who disobey many of his arbitrary rules should immediately be put to death by other believers. He thinks homosexuals, bankers, disobedient children, and people who eat shellfish should be killed. And he’s OK with genocide — putting entire countries to the sword, including women and children.

Most Christians, of course, are never told about most of the above. Many of those who do are mentally healthy enough to repudiate those beliefs (thus, again, creating their own “sanitized” religion). Those who aren’t healthy enough become fundamentalists: preachers (and agents) of intolerance, suffering and hate.

But my point is that, if you’re a kind, moral believer, you are that despite your religion, not because of it. In fact, you have to ignore much of your holy book, or else you’d probably be in prison already (say, for stoning your child to death because he arrived late from a party).

How can your morality come from religion if you have to ignore most of that religion’s teachings in order to not be a monster?

More about this: Picking and Choosing.

(Note: please keep any comments related to the above question / answer, and not to other subjects, such as whether God exists or not. Thanks.)

Morality and suffering

Friday, February 23rd, 2007

This is something I’ve been thinking about for a while, and which I’ve actually mentioned in arguments in my personal blog (in Portuguese), about the abortion referendum in Portugal. It was also inspired in part, by posts by TXStorm in the Way of the Mind Forum, and by some parts of Sam Harris’ The End of Faith.

The question is this: are morality and suffering related, or independent? In other words, when trying to figure out if a particular action is moral or immoral, should we consider the suffering that it will cause (both to ourselves and to others) the most important factor? A less important factor? Or not at all?

Well, if reducing suffering or creating joy aren’t the basis of morality, then it raises (not “begs”! I’m sick of that mistake! :)begging the question” is a logical fallacy.) an obvious question: then what is the basis of morality? And any answer to that question, unless I’m missing something, is necessarily something arbitrary.

If morality isn’t reducing suffering or creating joy, then it’s obeying something or someone: an authority figure, a god, society, a government, etc.. And, in many cases, obeying those abstract and arbitrary “rules of morality” causes a lot of suffering to many — indeed, it’s one of the biggest causes of suffering in the world.

The biggest culprit? Religion, of course. Nothing and no one separates morality from suffering as well and as much as religion does.

Think about it. Muslims around the world torture their women (there’s really no other word for it) because of their religion. Women in many countries are condemned to lives of pain and humiliation, treated as worse than animals. Now, any “normal”, decent human being would feel empathy for the suffering of millions of innocent women, and would perhaps try to put a stop to it. But Muslim men don’t do it, because of religion. In fact, they are taught since birth that doing such a horror to their women is moral, and that not doing so would be immoral. They are blinded to the suffering they cause, because, to them, morality and suffering are unrelated.

This, of course, doesn’t happen just among Muslims. Take Christianity. AIDS runs rampant in Africa, and yet a Pope tells them that using contraceptives is a “sin”, that it’s immoral. Why? Because God “says” so. Obeying God (an arbitrary commandment) is moral; who cares about suffering? This life is but a test to see whether you go to heaven or not, anyway.

Stem cell research is banned. It could lead to the easing of the suffering of millions, but who cares about that? It’s “immoral”, because God says so. Abortion is another example: anyone who is dogmatically against it doesn’t care about the suffering of mothers and children; it offends their “morality”, so it must be forbidden.

Sex education is a bad thing, because it may lead (horror of horrors!) to young people believing that, hey, sex is not a “sin” after all, but a perfectly natural, healthy thing. And that will not do, since the Bible tells us that sex is “dirty”, and that sex between unmarried people is “sinful”. So people are kept afraid of their own sexuality, are told that any of their desires are “dirty” and “immoral”, and that sex is for reproduction only, and should never give “pleasure”.

Homosexuals are told that their sexuality is “unnatural” and “an abomination”, condemning many of them to lives of shame, of self-denial, of lies. Why? It’s in the Bible. That it will cause them to suffer during the entirety of their lives is irrelevant; who cares about suffering, anyway? Morality is obeying God, and only that matters.

I could go on, and mention the crusades, the inquisitions, the attempts of Christians to ban anesthesia (because it “interfered with God’s punishment against Eve”, believe it or not!), their attempts to prevent the end of slavery (it’s in the Bible, after all), and all the other atrocities committed in the name of religion. But there’s really no need; right now, either you have seen what’s absolutely and utterly wrong with separating morality and suffering, or are sticking — and probably will always do so — to the abstract, arbitrary “morality” of doing what someone (whether real or not) wants. If many suffer… who cares, right? You feel “moral”, and that’s what’s important.

The abortion referendum in Portugal

Monday, February 12th, 2007

This concerns mostly my own country, but I felt I had to post about this.

While way too many people were too self-centered (“this doesn’t concern me, so I won’t move my ass”) to do anything at all (only about 40% of the population actually voted), still, the results were positive: the “don’t send women to prison anymore” side won. It shows that the Portuguese people are slowly, but surely, leaving the Middle Ages.

Today’s referendum, no matter what the fundies said, wasn’t about “saving lives” (anyone who really needs to have an abortion, will almost surely get one — even if it involves falling down a flight of stairs –, and who is concerned about their lives?). It was, instead, a choice between those who believe people should be free to decide things for themselves, and those who feel they have the “right” to control other people’s lives, to impose their own morality upon the rest.

Fortunately, and while the result isn’t “binding” (the turnout was too low), the former group won, and the prime minister has promised to use their parliament majority to change the law. It’s great to feel proud of my country, for a change. :)

Religion and the "virtue" of not thinking

Wednesday, November 8th, 2006

A spirit sped
Through spaces of night;
And as he sped, he called,
“God! God!”
He went through valleys
Of black death-slime,
Ever calling,
“God! God!”
Their echoes
From crevice and cavern
Mocked him:
“God! God! God!”
Fleetly into the plains of space
He went, ever calling,
“God! God!”
Eventually, then, he screamed,
Mad in denial,
“Ah, there is no God!”
A swift hand,
A sword from the sky,
Smote him,
And he was dead.

- Stephen Crane, The Black Riders and Other Lines

I’d like you to read the short poem above, written in 1895. What do you think?

Stephen Crane, as is obvious from reading his works, was mostly a cynic, believing in man as a victim of an uncaring, sometimes malevolent universe. The poem above is quite illustrative of that.

But, though it is a parable, we can look at it literally, too. What happens, actually, in that poem?

A man inquires, investigates, uses his senses, his mind, and his reason, and comes to the natural, quite obvious conclusion. He is then punished for it.

According to most theists, he deserved it, too. Because faith — blind faith — is praised as a good thing. Belief without evidence is good. Doubt — even (and sometimes especially) if it comes from using one’s mind — is condemned. God, according to them, doesn’t have any responsibility to show himself, or the slightest trace of his existence. In fact, if you start to learn a little about the world, everything around you will appear completely natural. It’s as if God created a universe whose purpose is to convince people he doesn’t exist, to lead men away from him.

And yet, he supposedly rewards those who don’t think, and punishes – with eternal suffering – those who do.

The God in that poem, if he existed, would be an evil, immoral god. And yet it’s him — exactly like that, instead of one who rewarded intelligence and honest inquiry — that theists believe in, worship, and think of as “all-good, all-loving”.

Why? Well, an Atlas Shrugged quote by Dr. Floyd Ferris, one of the villains, comes to mind:

You see, Dr. Stadler, people don’t want to think. And the deeper they get into trouble, the less they want to think. But by some sort of instinct, they feel that they ought to and it makes them feel guilty. So they’ll bless and follow anyone who gives them a justification for not thinking.

I think that explains it — how people can turn “not thinking” (not questioning, not doubting, not inquiring, not investigating, not asking) into a virtue. Why many preach it, and why even more follow it.

The Origin of Morality

Thursday, September 21st, 2006

Note: this post is a reply to a comment by Matt in a previous thread.

Where does morality come from, anyway?

Most theists believe it comes from God. In other words, morality – or “good” – is obeying God. Whatever it is that God wants, becomes moral; it follows that doing what God doesn’t want is immoral.

Putting aside, for now, the problem of determining what God really wants (not to mention whether he actually exists), which should already be enough reason not to accept this definition of morality, there’s a more important problem here: it’s arbitrary.

If morality is simply obeying or pleasing some being (whether human or divine), what about that being’s own morality? What if that being is wrong, or actually “evil”? I’ve dealt with this one before, in The Morality of God. What most theists do, here, is say that God is “above morality” – that he can’t be judged by us, or by anyone, that whatever God does is by definition “good”, and any rules he gives us don’t apply to him. In other words, if I kill someone, it’s immoral (not because murder is wrong for any reason, but simply because God said so), but if God kills someone, he was moral in doing so… because he sets the rules.

I believe it stands to reason that morality 1) must apply to each and everyone, instead of having someone “above morality” (much like a ruler can’t be above the law), and 2) can’t come just from someone’s desires or whims. If I believed God existed, but was evil, I wouldn’t worship him anyway – and if the price for that was hell, then, as I’ve read somewhere, nobody would be safe from such a monster anyway.

Now, a great many people believe, instead, that morality comes from society, that it’s defined by what society believes – or, in other words, by what most people believe. To them, morality is simply a social construct, there’s no reason why this is moral and that is immoral, other than it being accepted so by society.

If you think a little about it, it should be obvious that this way of thinking has the same problem: it’s arbitrary. Who’s to say that the majority is always right? Not a long time ago, slavery was accepted. Was it moral, back then? Did it become “wrong” only after most people came to believe it was wrong?

What about some of the more primitive Muslim countries today, where women are seen as downright inferior beings, with no voice at all, and rape is OK? Is it “moral” to do so, just because that’s what most people there believe? What about racism? Just a few decades ago, non-whites were seen as inferior… were they really inferior? Was it “moral” to be a racist, at the time?

What should define “moral”, then? I don’t have an absolute answer, but, in my opinion, morality should come from one’s love of life, from empathy to other human beings, and from rational principles.

I don’t kill my neighbor for his money. Why don’t I do it? Not because some god told me not to. Not because society tells me not to. Not because of fear of punishment – either divine or legal.

Instead, I don’t do it – and I don’t feel tempted to do it – because I don’t want to live in a world where people kill their neighbors for their money. That’s not a rational, civilized world; it’s a world of brutes, of beasts, of predators. That’s not the world I want for me, for my family, for my friends, and for my kids (when I have them).

I want to live as a rational being, and, to me, it’s moral to do so. I need no “compulsion” from God or society.

The "morality" of God

Friday, September 15th, 2006

In the Dwindling in Unbelief blog, there’s a post about how many people God has killed in the Bible (assuming all of it is true, of course). As the author says, many times the number isn’t stated (such as “every firstborn in Egypt”, or “that entire city”, or “everyone in the world except Noah and his wife”), but there are also many times where it is. The author is only counting those, of course.

The number, by the way, is 2,270,365. Not too bad.

Now (again, assuming that it all happened), we could argue whether those people really deserved to be killed, or whether some were killed just because of innocent mistakes, or for waging war on Israel (or having Israel wage war on them), or simply for already living in a land that God had “promised” to the Israelites.

Surely, if we were talking about a human being – say, an emperor of a large empire – instead of a deity who created the universe, we’d be describing him using terms such as “cruel”, “sadistic”, “insane”, “mass-murderer”, and “with temper tantrums like those of a spoiled child”. But we don’t – after all, this is God, right?

Because… well, we could say that “for God, there are different standards of morality”. But it’s more than that. For most Christians (and theists in general), God is the standard of morality!

Their belief goes like this: whatever God does, is moral. Whatever God wants, is good. Goodness is obeying God – if God wants the murder of someone, murdering that someone is good. Same thing for torture, rape, and so on. There are no objective standards of morality; it all comes from a single being and his desires.

In my opinion, that is a hideous way of thinking. By defining good as “what God wants”, you are refusing all standards; we all become rats in a maze. It’s no different than, say, having a mad, sadistic emperor who orders people tortured or killed on whims – and yet he is above any law, as he’s the emperor.

Therefore, we get comments like this one, in that post’s discussion:

The question you did not ask was; Is God justified in killing these people.

If God is who He says He is, then He is justified in all that He does. He is the ultimate standard for what is just and unjust.

He can kill who He pleases and is righteous in doing it.

Repugnant. How anyone can believe such a thing… is beyond me.

What if there is a god, but he’s evil? What if he’s cruel, sadistic, and demands human sacrifice, like the Aztecs believed their gods did? Is it “moral” to obey such a being? The author of that comment – who, I believe, is representative of most Christians – would believe so.