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		<title>Why these guys are insane</title>
		<link>http://www.wayofthemind.org/2008/11/11/why-these-guys-are-insane/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:47:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Pedro Timóteo</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The environmental movement is consumed with trying to preserve the planet forever. But we know that isn’t in God’s plan. The earth we inhabit is not a permanent planet. It is, frankly, a disposable planet—it is going to have a very short life. It’s been around six thousand years or so—that’s all—and it may last [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The environmental movement is consumed with trying to preserve the planet forever. But we know that isn’t in God’s plan.</p>
<p>The earth we inhabit is not a permanent planet. It is, frankly, a disposable planet—it is going to have a very short life. It’s been around six thousand years or so—that’s all—and it may last a few thousand more. And then the Lord is going to destroy it.</p>
<p>I’ve told environmentalists that if they think humanity is wrecking the planet, wait until they see what Jesus does to it.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>&#8211; John McArthur, <a href="http://www.oneplace.com/ministries/Grace_to_You/Article.asp?article_id=1441">Evangelicalism and the Environmental Movement</a></p>
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		<title>Denial of Evolution and &quot;the word of God&quot;</title>
		<link>http://www.wayofthemind.org/2008/04/16/denial-of-evolution-and-the-word-of-god/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 10:39:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Pedro Timóteo</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you&#8217;ve ever debated creationists, you&#8217;ve probably heard a version of this argument: Scientists say evolution is true and the Earth is old, but they&#8217;re only human and fallible. Between them and God&#8217;s word (the Bible), I&#8217;d trust God any day. But how do they know the Bible is God&#8217;s word? An incredible large number [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you&#8217;ve ever debated creationists, you&#8217;ve probably heard a version of this argument:</p>
<blockquote><p>Scientists say evolution is true and the Earth is old, but they&#8217;re only human and fallible. Between them and God&#8217;s word (the Bible), I&#8217;d trust God any day.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>But how do they know the Bible <em>is</em> God&#8217;s word?</p>
<p>An incredible large number of believers will say something like, &#8220;well, it says so right in there! Would God lie?&#8221;. Sorry to say this, but that is such a ridiculously <em>stupid</em> argument that I can have no respect for you as an human being afterwards. Do realize how <em>idiotic</em> it is to say that something must be true simply because <em>it says so</em>? Would you believe a murder suspect with a lot of evidence against him to be innocent, as long as he said &#8220;I didn&#8217;t do it, <em>and I&#8217;m telling the truth</em>&#8220;? If you believe that, then, well, (inspiring music) know henceforth that this blog is the very word of the <em>High God</em>, the more-supreme-than-supreme being who created all human gods, including yours (after all, nothing can exist without being created, so someone must have created Yahweh and so on, right? The High God did it. Ignore the obvious implication.). Therefore, you must believe everything written here, since these are not just <em>my</em> words, but the words of the High God himself. The High God wants you to send me a billion dollars. You doubt it? Are you calling the High God <em>himself</em> a liar?</p>
<p>A slightly smaller number of believers will reply with something much like &#8220;I <em>feel</em> in my heart that this is the word of God. When I read it, it touches my soul in a way that no mortal words ever could.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, what if you&#8217;re mistaken?</p>
<p>What, you believe you can&#8217;t be? Do you consider yourself infallible? Perfect? Incapable of error about something like this? Are you claiming that, just because you &#8220;feel&#8221; something, those feelings must be true, with no possibility of your being just mistaken or deluded?</p>
<p>Then what about all the other people out there who feel things completely different than you? How do you know you&#8217;re right and they&#8217;re wrong? How can you be sure your feelings are 100% trustworthy, but those of other people are not?</p>
<p>Most people would agree that claiming &#8220;I can&#8217;t possibly be wrong; I am incapable of error&#8221; is the epitome of arrogance. Then why is it that nobody is called on it when the subject is the belief that a book (written thousands of years ago) <em>must</em> be the word of a god? Or that the feelings in your heart <em>must</em> be justified (even though that is not valid for other people&#8217;s feelings)?</p>
<p>Admit it: there&#8217;s no way to be sure that the Bible is divinely inspired, other than one of the two: dumb circular logic you wouldn&#8217;t accept for anything else, or the belief that you&#8217;re infallible about something.</p>
<p>More on this: <a href="http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/02/the-aura-of-infallibility.html">The Aura of Infallibility, on Daylight Atheism</a></p>
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		<title>Expelled Exposed</title>
		<link>http://www.wayofthemind.org/2008/04/15/expelled-exposed/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 09:55:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Pedro Timóteo</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The new Expelled Exposed site is up. Until yesterday, it was just a collection of links, but now it&#8217;s a &#8220;full&#8221; site, addressing the lies from the Expelled propaganda film. I&#8217;d recommend everyone read it. Copyright &#169; 2012 Way of the Mind]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p align="justify">The new <a href="http://www.expelledexposed.com/">Expelled Exposed</a> site is up. Until yesterday, it was just a collection of links, but now it&#8217;s a &#8220;full&#8221; site, addressing the lies from the Expelled propaganda film. I&#8217;d recommend everyone read it.</p>
<p align="center"><a href="http://www.expelledexposed.com/"><img style="border-top-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; margin: 5px; border-right-width: 0px" height="390" alt="Expelled Exposed" src="http://www.wayofthemind.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/expelledexposed.jpg" width="460" border="0"/></a></p>
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		<title>&quot;Atheism being promoted in science class&quot;</title>
		<link>http://www.wayofthemind.org/2008/04/09/atheism-being-promoted-in-science-class/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 14:38:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Pedro Timóteo</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Source: Cectic This shows perfectly what the theists&#8217; beef is, IMO. No matter how much they deny it, their goal is to insert religion in science classes, nothing more&#8230; and they won&#8217;t be satisfied with a truly neutral position, where science classes only teach science. To them, not saying &#8220;goddidit&#8221; is &#8220;promoting atheism&#8221;&#8230; and they [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p align="center"><a href="http://cectic.com/132.html"><img style="border-top-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; margin: 5px; border-right-width: 0px" height="258" alt="cectic132" src="http://www.wayofthemind.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/cectic132.png" width="600" border="0"/></a> </p>
<p>Source: <a href="http://cectic.com/132.html">Cectic</a></p>
<p>This shows perfectly what the theists&#8217; beef is, IMO. <img src='http://www.wayofthemind.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  No matter how much they deny it, their goal is to insert <em>religion</em> in science classes, nothing more&#8230; and they won&#8217;t be satisfied with a truly neutral position, where science classes only teach <em>science</em>. To them, <b>not</b> saying &#8220;goddidit&#8221; is &#8220;promoting atheism&#8221;&#8230; and they can&#8217;t have that.</p>
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		<title>Applying Logic to Creationism / Evolution</title>
		<link>http://www.wayofthemind.org/2008/04/03/applying-logic-to-creationism-evolution/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 10:45:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Pedro Timóteo</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[A little while ago, and for no apparent reason (I&#8217;m like that ), I thought about an Internet poll I&#8217;ve seen some time ago, which asked people what they thought was more likely about the development of life on Earth. If I remember correctly, the options were something like this: God created the species as [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A little while ago, and for no apparent reason (I&#8217;m like that <img src='http://www.wayofthemind.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  ), I thought about an Internet poll I&#8217;ve seen some time ago, which asked people what they thought was more likely about the development of life on Earth. If I remember correctly, the options were something like this:</p>
<ol>
<li>God created the species as they are, less than 10,000 years ago (young earth creationism);
</li>
<li>God created the species as they are, millions of years ago (old earth creationism);
</li>
<li>God created life and directed evolution, starting millions of years ago (theistic evolution);
</li>
<li>Life evolved without action from a god (natural evolution).</li>
</ol>
<p>And it got me thinking&#8230;</p>
<p>We can think of the several hypotheses as a series of <em>switches</em>. God (as in &#8220;interfering&#8221;, not as in &#8220;existing&#8221;)? Yes or no. Old Earth? Yes or no. Evolution? Yes or no. With these switches, here are the 8 possible combinations (with 0 for &#8220;no&#8221; and 1 for &#8220;yes&#8221; &#8212; yes, I&#8217;m a computer geek. <img src='http://www.wayofthemind.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  ):</p>
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<td valign="top" width="127">God?</td>
<td valign="top" width="125">Old Earth?</td>
<td valign="top" width="126">Evolution?</td>
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<td valign="top" width="133">0</td>
<td valign="top" width="130">0</td>
<td valign="top" width="130">0</td>
</tr>
<tr align="center">
<td valign="top" width="134">0</td>
<td valign="top" width="131">0</td>
<td valign="top" width="132">1</td>
</tr>
<tr align="center">
<td valign="top" width="133">0</td>
<td valign="top" width="131">1</td>
<td valign="top" width="134">0</td>
</tr>
<tr align="center">
<td valign="top" width="133">0</td>
<td valign="top" width="130">1</td>
<td valign="top" width="135">1</td>
</tr>
<tr align="center">
<td valign="top" width="132">1</td>
<td valign="top" width="130">0</td>
<td valign="top" width="136">0</td>
</tr>
<tr align="center">
<td valign="top" width="132">1</td>
<td valign="top" width="130">0</td>
<td valign="top" width="136">1</td>
</tr>
<tr align="center">
<td valign="top" width="132">1</td>
<td valign="top" width="130">1</td>
<td valign="top" width="136">0</td>
</tr>
<tr align="center">
<td valign="top" width="132">1</td>
<td valign="top" width="130">1</td>
<td valign="top" width="136">1</td>
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<p>This is the initial premise. But we can quickly remove a few <em>contradictory</em> combinations. For instance, no God <em>and</em> no evolution means that nothing accounts for the life we have in the world today. In other words, we can&#8217;t have a &#8220;0&#8243; for <em>both</em> God and evolution. Evolution <em>but</em> no old earth is also impossible: nobody &#8212; scientists or creationists &#8212; claims that species could have evolved in just a couple of millennia, and both sides agree that man already existed 6,000 years ago. In binary terms, evolution <em>requires</em> an old earth (not the other way around, though).</p>
<p>So, the cut-down table (now with labels for each combination) amounts to this:</p>
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<tr align="center">
<td valign="top" width="77">&nbsp;</td>
<td valign="top" width="94">God?</td>
<td valign="top" width="96">Old Earth?</td>
<td valign="top" width="111">Evolution?</td>
</tr>
<tr align="center">
<td valign="top" width="77">A</td>
<td valign="top" width="94">0</td>
<td valign="top" width="96">1</td>
<td valign="top" width="111">1</td>
</tr>
<tr align="center">
<td valign="top" width="78">B</td>
<td valign="top" width="93">1</td>
<td valign="top" width="96">0</td>
<td valign="top" width="111">0</td>
</tr>
<tr align="center">
<td valign="top" width="78">C</td>
<td valign="top" width="93">1</td>
<td valign="top" width="96">1</td>
<td valign="top" width="111">0</td>
</tr>
<tr align="center">
<td valign="top" width="78">D</td>
<td valign="top" width="102">1</td>
<td valign="top" width="109">1</td>
<td valign="top" width="125">1</td>
</tr>
</tbody>
</table>
</div>
<p>What more can we say about them? Well, for a start: evidence <em>contradicts</em> B and C, so they cannot be true. There is lots of evidence for both evolution and an old earth, and both are accepted by science &#8212; not dogmatically, not on authority, but because that&#8217;s where the evidence leads. The only reason people still claim B or C is this: it&#8217;s what the holy books claim. If you believe they are inerrant, then any evidence to the contrary must be ignored, like covering your ears with your hands and crying &#8220;la la la, I can&#8217;t hear you&#8221;. Of course, such a position is irrational, dishonest, and stupid. Creationism (old earth or young earth) is the denial of reality; it&#8217;s not a scientific hypothesis with any merit, because no evidence supports it, and a lot of evidence contradicts it. I can respect people who are honestly mistaken, but not those who lie to themselves, who deny reality, just because it&#8217;s somehow uncomfortable or contradicts dogma.</p>
<p>So, if we care the least bit about reality, we must remove any combination with Old Earth=0 or Evolution=0. Therefore, the only remaining combinations are these (keeping the labels from the previous table):</p>
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<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="2" width="380" align="center" border="1">
<tbody>
<tr align="center">
<td valign="top" width="77">&nbsp;</td>
<td valign="top" width="94">God?</td>
<td valign="top" width="96">Old Earth?</td>
<td valign="top" width="111">Evolution?</td>
</tr>
<tr align="center">
<td valign="top" width="77">A</td>
<td valign="top" width="94">0</td>
<td valign="top" width="96">1</td>
<td valign="top" width="111">1</td>
</tr>
<tr align="center">
<td valign="top" width="78">D</td>
<td valign="top" width="102">1</td>
<td valign="top" width="109">1</td>
<td valign="top" width="125">1</td>
</tr>
</tbody>
</table>
</div>
<p>Now, D is obviously <em>theistic evolution</em>, that is, evolution directed by God. This is undisprovable, because it doesn&#8217;t contradict the evidence (but, then again, <a href="http://groups.google.com/group/talk.origins/browse_thread/thread/9263b3be16d586f3">Last Thursdayism</a>, the theory that the universe was created last Thursday, but with everyone having memories of a fictional time before that, and with the world having been created to appear much older, is also undisprovable). There is, however, no evidence <em>for</em> it, either.</p>
<p>A is not necessarily atheistic naturalism; as I said before, &#8220;God&#8221; here means <em>intervention</em> by God, not just existence. A can be naturalism, but it can also be <em>Deism</em>. Again, it can&#8217;t be disproved, and, again, there is no evidence of &#8220;no (intervening) God&#8221;. The main difference between A and D is that D adds another agent, which is <em>not required</em>, as A has the exact same evidence for and against it, and explains everything just as well. If both explanations are equally satisfactory and substantiated, but one of them has an <em>extra entity</em>, then <strong>Occam&#8217;s Razor</strong> tells us that the other one &#8212; with the least number of entities &#8212; is the most likely one. Entities should not be multiplied beyond necessity, and the extra entity is unnecessary.</p>
<p>From this, we arrive at A as the most likely hypothesis. All available evidence agrees with it, and it is the simpler (in terms of number of entities) explanation.</p>
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		<title>Just doing my small part&#8230;</title>
		<link>http://www.wayofthemind.org/2008/04/01/just-doing-my-small-part/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 12:52:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Pedro Timóteo</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#8230; to make the world a better place: Expelled There. Copyright &#169; 2012 Way of the Mind]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230; to make the world a better place:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.expelledexposed.com/">Expelled</a></p>
<p>There. <img src='http://www.wayofthemind.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Darwin Mit Uns?</title>
		<link>http://www.wayofthemind.org/2008/03/26/darwin-mit-uns/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 11:15:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Pedro Timóteo</dc:creator>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p align="center"><a href="http://www.antievolution.org/cgi-bin/ikonboard/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=14;t=5383;st=30#entry101673"><img style="border-right: 0px; border-top: 0px; margin: 5px; border-left: 0px; border-bottom: 0px" height="433" alt="darwinmituns" src="http://www.wayofthemind.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/darwinmituns2.jpg" width="450" border="0"/></a> </p>
<p>I ask my readers (yes, you and that other one over there <img src='http://www.wayofthemind.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  ) to please, please, spread this image (originally posted <a href="http://www.antievolution.org/cgi-bin/ikonboard/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=14;t=5383;st=30#entry101673">here</a>) as much as possible.</p>
<p>They say a picture is worth a thousand words, and I think that this is a perfect example. A simple picture shows the utter, disgusting <em>dishonesty</em> of the creationists behind <em>Expelled</em>&#8216;s attempt to <strong>rewrite history</strong> in order to blame evolution for Nazism.</p>
<p>Apparently, the Nazis themselves didn&#8217;t agree with Ben Stein&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Arthur C. Clarke on Creationism</title>
		<link>http://www.wayofthemind.org/2008/03/19/arthur-c-clarke-on-creationism/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 13:20:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Pedro Timóteo</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[If I was a religious person, I would consider creationism nothing less than blasphemy. Do its adherents imagine that God is a cosmic hoaxer who has created that whole vast fossil record for the sole purpose of misleading mankind? &#8211; Arthur C. Clarke (seen on Life Without Faith, in a post about Clarke&#8217;s recent death) [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>If I was a religious person, I would consider creationism nothing less than blasphemy. Do its adherents imagine that God is a cosmic hoaxer who has created that whole vast fossil record for the sole purpose of misleading mankind?</p>
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<p>&#8211; Arthur C. Clarke</p>
<p><small>(seen on <a href="http://lifewithoutfaith.com/index.php?/archives/50-Say-Goodnight-Hal-Arthur-C.-Clarke-Dead-At-90..html">Life Without Faith</a>, in a post about Clarke&#8217;s recent death)</small></p>
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		<title>Presidential Candidates and Evolution</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 14:44:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Pedro Timóteo</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Alonzo and vjack have already blogged in more detail about this, so, as there&#8217;s really nothing to add to them in a serious way&#8230; &#8230; I have, naturally, to invoke Monty Python. Now, some people &#8212; even non-creationists (a.k.a. people who don&#8217;t ignore evidence just because it contradicts a book written by Bronze Age desert [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://atheistethicist.blogspot.com/2008/01/ron-pauls-inappropriate-question.html">Alonzo</a> and <a href="http://atheistrevolution.blogspot.com/2008/01/does-your-candidate-believe-in.html">vjack</a> have already blogged in more detail about this, so, as there&#8217;s really nothing to add to them in a <em>serious</em> way&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230; I have, naturally, to invoke Monty Python. <img src='http://www.wayofthemind.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Now, some people &#8212; even non-creationists <small>(a.k.a. people who <em>don&#8217;t</em> ignore evidence just because it contradicts a book written by Bronze Age desert nomads who could only imagine supernatural explanations for anything they didn&#8217;t know, and who thought the world was just a few generations old)</small> are saying that people will be electing a president, not a biologist, so the candidates&#8217; stance on evolution doesn&#8217;t really matter. </p>
<p>In other words, they&#8217;re free to believe in something really absurd, ignoring all the evidence to the contrary, but <em>&#8220;otherwise, they&#8217;re perfectly all right&#8221;</em>.</p>
<p>Remember the classic <strong>mattress sketch</strong>?</p>
<blockquote><p><em>Groom:</em> Er yes. We&#8217;d like to buy a bed&#8230;a double bed&#8230;about fifty pounds?  <br /><em>Verity:</em> Oh no, I&#8217;m afraid not, sir. Our cheapest bed is eight hundred pounds, sir.  <br /><em>Groom:</em> Eight hundred pounds!  <br /><em>Lambert:</em> Or, er, perhaps I should have explained. Mr Verity does tend to exaggerate, so every figure he gives you will be ten times too high. Otherwise he&#8217;s perfectly all right, perfectly ha, ha, ha.</p></blockquote>
<p>and, later,</p>
<blockquote><p><em>Verity:</em> Lambert! Will you show these twenty good people the, er, dog kennels, please?  <br /><em>Lambert:</em> Mm? Certainly.  <br /><em>Groom:</em> Dog kennel? No, no, no, mattresses, mattresses!  <br /><em>Verity:</em> Oh no, no you have to say dog kennel to Mr Lambert because if you say mattress he puts a bag over his head. I should have explained. Apart from that he&#8217;s really all right.</p></blockquote>
<p>See what I mean? It&#8217;s <strong>not</strong> &#8220;really all right&#8221;. In at least one thing, they&#8217;re showing that they&#8217;re either a) completely nuts, or b) cowardly pandering to those who are. They&#8217;re unwilling to think critically, to consider the available evidence, and to ask the experts on the subject&#8230; or they&#8217;re dishonest, cowardly, and devoid of any integrity.</p>
<p>And you want <em>those</em> guys to run your country?</p>
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		<title>Creationism / ID and Evolution</title>
		<link>http://www.wayofthemind.org/2007/05/29/creationism-id-and-evolution/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 15:22:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;ve recently read a comment, and a reply to another comment, in Slashdot, in the &#8220;Creation Museum opens&#8221; thread. I think both are brilliant. I won&#8217;t quote them in full here, but I&#8217;d recommend their reading to anyone. From the initial comment: I&#8217;ve noticed that many slashdot articles about evolution seem to attract a sizeable [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve recently read a comment, and a reply to another comment, in Slashdot, in the &#8220;Creation Museum opens&#8221; thread. I think both are brilliant. I won&#8217;t quote them in full here, but I&#8217;d recommend their reading to anyone.</p>
<p>From the <a href="http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=236339&#038;cid=19287865">initial comment</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>I&#8217;ve noticed that many slashdot articles about evolution seem to attract a sizeable number of creationists. Because of this, I&#8217;ve decided to address the serious (i.e. non-trolling) creationists that frequent slashdot in the hope that I can prevent you from making the same easily avoided mistakes that make so many of your brethren sound like ignorant cretins. Here are some common arguments that creationists use, and why I think that you shouldn&#8217;t use them&#8230; unless of course you want to be ridiculed. Note: this is by no means a comprehensive list.</p>
<h5>(1) &#8220;Evolution is just a THEORY&#8221;</h5>
<p>This is the most common (and the most disappointing) creationist argument I hear on a regular basis. While it&#8217;s true that evolution is a theory, this statement is made in an attempt to cast doubt on evolution by implying that evolution is akin to a wild guess that scientists came up with after a night of heavy drinking. Newsflash: it&#8217;s not going to work. Most educated people understand that you&#8217;re confusing the word &#8220;theory&#8221; (which means an explanation or model that is capable of predicting future events) with the word &#8220;hypothesis&#8221; (which means an educated guess). Calling evolution a &#8220;theory&#8221; isn&#8217;t an insult. For the millionth time, I will repeat this: gravity is also &#8220;just&#8221; a theory (for example, google the &#8220;General Theory of Relativity&#8221;). I might even add that most scientists would consider evolution to be a better-supported theory than gravity, because of the fact that gravity cannot (currently) be quantized, despite decades of attempts. If you want to debate evolution, fine- but don&#8217;t play these childish word games. </p></blockquote>
<p>Of course, it goes on. Really, read it.</p>
<p>And from his <a href="http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=236339&#038;cid=19288359">reply</a>, to another user who suggested he participate in a public debate about evolution / creationism:</p>
<blockquote><p>(2) Creationists often make statements like &#8220;Evolution can&#8217;t produce new information in a genome&#8221; or &#8220;We don&#8217;t know how old the earth is because carbon dating isn&#8217;t useful on large timescales and we don&#8217;t know the initial amounts of isotopes and polonium halos disprove old ages anyway&#8221;. Answering each one of these statements would require hours of boring, dry lecturing- something that simply isn&#8217;t going to happen. And the problem is that creationists don&#8217;t just make one of these statements, they make DOZENS of them. Answering this kind of deluge of mis-information in such a way that it can be intelligible to the average person would take an unbelievably long amount of time. As such, even answering questions from the crowd can be a tricky business. How do you explain isochronology and radioactive dating methods in 2 minutes to a young earth creationist? I can barely explain it to a fellow scientist in less than 15 minutes. Now imagine someone standing up and asking two or three of these questions in rapid fire mode, and ridiculing you for not having a snappy answer. This kind of public failure would not look good.</p></blockquote>
<p>Again, follow the two links and read the entire comments. The first one is &#8220;print out and give to friends and family&#8221; material, and the second explains the frustration of discussing science with non-scientists to whom &#8220;quick, easy answers&#8221; (such as &#8220;God did it&#8221;) often sound a lot better than the inevitably more complex truth.</p>
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