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Creationism / ID and Evolution

Tuesday, May 29th, 2007

I’ve recently read a comment, and a reply to another comment, in Slashdot, in the “Creation Museum opens” thread. I think both are brilliant. I won’t quote them in full here, but I’d recommend their reading to anyone.

From the initial comment:

I’ve noticed that many slashdot articles about evolution seem to attract a sizeable number of creationists. Because of this, I’ve decided to address the serious (i.e. non-trolling) creationists that frequent slashdot in the hope that I can prevent you from making the same easily avoided mistakes that make so many of your brethren sound like ignorant cretins. Here are some common arguments that creationists use, and why I think that you shouldn’t use them… unless of course you want to be ridiculed. Note: this is by no means a comprehensive list.

(1) “Evolution is just a THEORY”

This is the most common (and the most disappointing) creationist argument I hear on a regular basis. While it’s true that evolution is a theory, this statement is made in an attempt to cast doubt on evolution by implying that evolution is akin to a wild guess that scientists came up with after a night of heavy drinking. Newsflash: it’s not going to work. Most educated people understand that you’re confusing the word “theory” (which means an explanation or model that is capable of predicting future events) with the word “hypothesis” (which means an educated guess). Calling evolution a “theory” isn’t an insult. For the millionth time, I will repeat this: gravity is also “just” a theory (for example, google the “General Theory of Relativity”). I might even add that most scientists would consider evolution to be a better-supported theory than gravity, because of the fact that gravity cannot (currently) be quantized, despite decades of attempts. If you want to debate evolution, fine- but don’t play these childish word games.

Of course, it goes on. Really, read it.

And from his reply, to another user who suggested he participate in a public debate about evolution / creationism:

(2) Creationists often make statements like “Evolution can’t produce new information in a genome” or “We don’t know how old the earth is because carbon dating isn’t useful on large timescales and we don’t know the initial amounts of isotopes and polonium halos disprove old ages anyway”. Answering each one of these statements would require hours of boring, dry lecturing- something that simply isn’t going to happen. And the problem is that creationists don’t just make one of these statements, they make DOZENS of them. Answering this kind of deluge of mis-information in such a way that it can be intelligible to the average person would take an unbelievably long amount of time. As such, even answering questions from the crowd can be a tricky business. How do you explain isochronology and radioactive dating methods in 2 minutes to a young earth creationist? I can barely explain it to a fellow scientist in less than 15 minutes. Now imagine someone standing up and asking two or three of these questions in rapid fire mode, and ridiculing you for not having a snappy answer. This kind of public failure would not look good.

Again, follow the two links and read the entire comments. The first one is “print out and give to friends and family” material, and the second explains the frustration of discussing science with non-scientists to whom “quick, easy answers” (such as “God did it”) often sound a lot better than the inevitably more complex truth.

Falwell’s death, and "respect for the dead"

Tuesday, May 22nd, 2007

(Warning: this post is a little more emotional than the norm here.)

Most atheist blogs, plus Christopher Hitchens on TV, have, naturally, denounced Falwell as the hateful bigot he was, instead of “a great man”, like most religious right conservatives keep parroting. The backlash from the latter has been seen, too: whether on TV against Hitchens (again), or in comments on atheist blogs, many people keep saying things like: “you might have disagreed with the man, but he’s just DIED, dammit. How can you be happy about it, you heartless monster? No matter what he did, his family and friends surely miss him. You atheists are really unfeeling, cruel monsters, speaking ill of a decent man, simply because you disagreed with him.”

It’s the old “dying turns people into saints” thing.

Let me see if I can make you at least begin to understand.

Now, I’m not saying Falwell was a child molester, but imagine — just pretend — that it was actually a well-known child molester1 who’d just died.

Would you, perchance, be saying things like:

- “yes, he did some bad things, but his death is still a loss to the world.”

- “you’ve got to consider the feelings of his family and friends first.”

- “he might have been wrong about a couple of things, but the main thing is that he was always true to his convictions, to the end.”

- “if you speak ill of him — even if you were one of his victims — you are still a heartless, hateful monster. The man’s died, dammit!”

Now… would you say such a thing about a child molester? Just because he died? Would he turn into a good, decent man, just because he is no more, he’s ceased to be, he’s expired and gone to meet his maker, he is a late child molester2, and all that?

The answer is probably no.

Now, what if, in addition to being a child molester, he had also been a reverend? Would you think differently of him?

If so, sorry to say, you’re both naïve, and a hypocrite, because you let anyone fool you, no matter his actions, just because he says “God” and “Jesus” often. Which, actually, is what many Americans do, sadly.

Now, as I said, Falwell wasn’t a child molester. But he did what he could, he did everything in his power — and succeeded, in many ways — to make life a living hell for many, many more innocent people than any child molester could ever victimize in his entire natural life. Falwell was a bigot. An agent of hate, of intolerance, of sexism, racism3, homophobia and fundamentalism. He spent his more than 70 years trying to make the world a worse place, trying to make life worse for a great number of people. It was not enough for him to hate them because of his bigotry; no, he had to convince half of America that the imaginary God they believe in also hated those people.

Is that forgivable? Or forgettable? Just because he died? Does death really turn a hateful monster into a saint, or at least a “harmless”, “worthy of respect” human being?

I don’t think so. People shouldn’t forget or forgive what this disgusting little man did, because there are others waiting in line to take his place this very moment. The battle against fundamentalism and intolerance is far from over… and far from won.

  1. avoided Godwin’s Law! Yes! :) []
  2. couldn’t resist a Monty Python reference here. Sorry. :) []
  3. yes, that too. He opposed the civil rights movement at the time, though he tried to hide that fact much later. []

Why does this remind me of Jerry Falwell?

Monday, May 21st, 2007

You can safely assume that you’ve created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.

– Anne Lamott

Heliocentrism = Atheism / Anti-American? Gee…

Sunday, May 20th, 2007

Like several other bloggers, I wonder if this post on Blogs 4 Brownback, Heliocentrism is an Atheist Doctrine, is a joke. On one hand, it is quite well written in terms of language, and of course the premise is ridiculous, which suggests that this is a new Shelley the Republican. It can also serve as a exaggerated parody of anti-evolution propaganda: a total disregard for facts and reality, because the Bible says differently.

On the other hand, the fact that it’s on a quasi-official blog for a presidential candidate makes it appear serious. Frighteningly so.

If you think about it, however, then you’ll realize one thing: if that is for real, then the author is not doing anything other than being coherent with his own beliefs… because, according to the Bible, the earth really does not move. Why accept biblical infallibility for some things and nor for others? Why use the Bible as an argument against evolution (because many people don’t understand how it works, and don’t know that “theory”, in scientific terms, means something quite different than some wild fancy), but not heliocentrism or a round earth, which are accepted by virtually everyone these days? Where do you draw the line? And why draw one at all?

Either the Bible can be trusted, or not. I obviously think it can’t, but, to most Christians — especially fundamentalist ones –, it can. So why be selective? Would God ever lie? If it says that the earth is flat, then it must be… and, taken to the extreme, if a Christian was taken on a rocket ship and made to look at the earth from space, he’d deny the truth of what he was seeing as “an illusion from Satan”. Or “an illusion from God, to test our faith” (they actually say this one about fossils). Because, to quote Groucho Marx, “who are you going to believe, me or your lying eyes?”

Fundies. Who else can make us laugh and frighten us at the same time?

Unbecoming Levity: "Why I am an atheist"

Saturday, May 19th, 2007

From Unbecoming Levity, incidentally one of the most recent members of Planet Atheism, comes a brilliant — and beautiful — post, Why I am an atheist.

As deconversion stories go, this is one of the most enlightening I’ve seen, and, while the specifics are different, some parts almost echo my own experience. The following, for instance, could apply perfectly to me:

It became clear that God is a product of man, and he still exists as a go-to for those questions that still are not answered and to comfort us. Through a god and afterlife, we are eternal, our consciousness the manifestation of an immortal spirit that will rejoin its loved ones who have passed on before when we die. The God hypothesis makes us live forever. And further, it addresses the common lament that life is not fair, God will mete out justice. If an awful, evil man becomes powerful and lives a long happy life hurting others, we can take solace that after death, he will be brought to account for his transgressions. The God hypothesis makes life fair. This is why the God hypothesis exists–to make us feel better. It is a comforting idea, in my opinion. But that doesn’t make it true.

Really, go read it. You won’t regret it. And send the link to any theist (but inquiring) friends you happen to have. :)

Jerry Falwell dies

Tuesday, May 15th, 2007

As I’ve just read in A Load of Bright, the man who once said:

I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American Way, all of them who have tried to secularize America. I point the finger in their face and say “you helped this happen.”

about 9/11, and:

AIDS is the wrath of a just God against homosexuals.

is dead.

My feelings about this? The world is better off without him. I’m sorry if this offends anyone; apparently, someone recently dead is always to be “revered”. But I’ll save my compassion for those who deserve it, for those who actually try to make the world a better place, instead of a worse one.

Still, while I believe that Falwell was (much like Robertson, Dobson, Jack Thompson, and others) a disgusting human being, and a source of fundamentalism, intolerance and bigotry, I won’t actually cheer his death. Unlike what his followers believe, I’m convinced that this life is “it”, and, far from making our lives pointless, it makes them precious.

Besides, there are surely many waiting to take his place, and they will always have power, as long as there are people who want to be free from the responsability of thinking and deciding for themselves, who can’t deal with their lives and so need to believe that “hey, this is not the real thing, this is just a test,” and who want to be told that their own prejudices and bigotry are actually “moral” and “holy”, because, hey, the big guy in the sky hates all of ‘em too.

What will make the world a better place is not the death of the Jerry Falwells of the world, but, instead, the loss of their power and influence, because people begin to actually think for themselves. People shouldn’t be “good” simply because there is no charismatic bigot currently inciting them, but because they see those bigots for what they really are, and want nothing to do with them.

Pope threatens pro-choice politicians with excommunication

Wednesday, May 9th, 2007

News here. Of course, he’s talking about Catholic politicians (which may not actually be Catholic themselves, but who live in heavily Catholic countries — which handily coincides with his visit to South America).

While to any non-theist (or even simply non-Catholic) the threat of excommunication is as frightening as the idea of Santa Claus not liking you, if most of the populace is Catholic, the fact that a candidate (possibly attempting a re-election) has been excommunicated (“and by His Holiness the Pope himself!”) may influence polls and election results enough that anyone who’s been considering lifting some ancient and draconian abortion ban may end up not doing it.

What, you thought the Vatican only pulled the strings of kings and kingdoms during the Middle Ages? Think again…

"The Bible is the origin of morality"

Wednesday, May 9th, 2007

If two men are fighting and the wife of one of them comes to rescue her husband from his assailant, and she reaches out and seizes him by his private parts, you shall cut off her hand. Show her no pity.

Deuteronomy 25:11-12

Lovely. :)

Abraham and Isaac

Wednesday, May 2nd, 2007

The story of Abraham and Isaac, in the Old Testament, is one of the best known in the Bible. Abraham and his wife can’t have a child until old age, then miraculously they have a son, and then God tells Abraham to sacrifice his long-awaited child, which he accepts without question. At the last possible moment, God tells Abraham to stop, as it was all just a test, and to sacrifice an animal instead.

Incredibly enough, Abraham’s actions are considered “good” by most Christians, even though we probably value human life quite higher than we did thousands — or even hundreds — of years ago. However, due to precisely the latter fact, many people explain that part of the bible as “not literal”, “just an allegory”, or “simply a moral lesson”.

Vjack of Atheist Revolution addresses that contradiction: even if that is just “an allegory”, it’s an allegory to what? Certainly, in modern moral terms, there’s nothing to learn from a father ready to kill his infant child. Besides, many Christians don’t believe it to be “just an allegory”: many fundamentalists, especially in America, believe in the Bible (with all its absurdities, atrocities and contradictions) literally.

As for choosing which parts of the Bible to take literally and which ones not to, I have addressed it in the past, such as here. In short: if you accept that the Bible is the inspired word of God, then, for a human to decide which parts come from God and which don’t, or to decide which are literal and which aren’t, is an act of supreme arrogance, it’s believing you “know better than God”.

But what about the morality of this tale, itself?

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Bligbi: "If it wasn’t for Hell, I’d kill you but that doesn’t make me a bad person"

Monday, April 23rd, 2007

Remember this Atheism FAQ entry, Without belief in an afterlife / fear of hell, how can people be moral?? The common argument (which theists keep using, without even noticing what it really says about them) that an atheist doesn’t have any reason to be moral, since he doesn’t believe in heaven or hell? In other words, that there is no morality without the supernatural, and that “morality” is simply not doing things due to fear of punishment?

Bligbi has said shortened that argument — and its implication — in a simple, brilliant way: If it wasn’t for Hell, I’d kill you but that doesn’t make me a bad person.

Religion, Doubt, and Freedom

Saturday, March 31st, 2007

A reader called Matt commented the following in another post:

I don’t hate God, but I’ve suffered an insane amount pretty much my whole life and I’ve had lots of hateful thoughts about God combined with bad feelings which I can’t necesarily help.

I’ve been a christian whole life and feel like I’m worst off than most. I felt religion and spirituality had alot to do with my pain (combined with my anxious shitty mental disposition) so have often felt let down and bitter, feeling like religion f’ked me up, but God did nothing to help, feeling like would have been better if never thought about spiritual, religious things relating to God.

Obviously life isn’t fair, one might say as great as God is, he isn’t perfect? I mean who decided to make this earth-even God got mad with it and wiped it out with a flood (in the Bible).

I also feel frustrated with the thought of people going to hell, I mean God (and parents having sex) makes us (much of who we are is not what we choose), how can God condemn his own creation at it’s expense; mind, body, spirit and environment we’re raised in? And what about a bit more responsibility for looking after your creation, I mean what do they call a father who doesn’t look after his kids; dead beat dad? or someone who doesn’t look after their pets? Oh but God gave us free will(did I ask for it?), well my free will is to not have free will if that helps me have a life.

It’s says in bible that God so loved the world that he gave his only son, I’m not disagreeing, but I also think he had a obligation to save us from sin or ultimately hell (God can’t stand sin being so holy). Ok he can’t stand sin so the unsaved soul doesn’t get to go to heaven with him, but wouldn’t it be more loving to not make hell such a horrid place, unless your like an evil tormenting demon. I honestly don’t think Ive ever done anything to deserve eternal burning flames of hell, and if I was a horrible person (honestly how much control does a person have over the type of person they become? -being a product of genes and environment – a born psychotic or abused as a child?).

Maybe their should be like an in between house, where don’t live in heaven or hell, or maybe could just obliterate the unsaved soul so that cease to exist I know what I’d prefer if not going to heaven.

I’m not saying God isn’t good, but right now i feel somewhere along the line that God did the deed and we’re paying for it. But if you really want to hate someone hate Satan, according to the bible his messing things up was very deliberate and selfish unlike the loving God.

Matt: the fact that you have doubts and are courageous enough to admit so and write about them is a step in the right direction. Christianity, like most religions, certainly works a lot by creating guilt (“God loves you! How can you doubt him / not love him back, you monster!?”) and fear of eternal damnation. But, if you have admitted that many parts of Christian theology don’t make a lot of sense, that they even paint God as a somewhat cruel being, why not go all the way, and check every premise that you’ve been taught, or that you’ve always believed in without question, up to and including the very existence of a god?

I’m not trying to “convert you to atheism”, or anything like that (atheism isn’t a religion, anyway). But think about it: if something doesn’t survive honest questioning and investigation, what does it say about that something? If you can only keep your faith by not ever thinking critically about it, what does it mean? I’ve been there, too, years ago: religion, to me, was something I was afraid to think about, to point a flashlight at, because I’d always known — maybe by instinct — that it would all begin to unravel if I did so. So I spent decades of my life afraid to think about religion, just “believing”. Until, one day, enough was enough. As I said, if my beliefs only survived because I was too afraid to think about them, what did it mean? That they were probably wrong, of course.

Even if it turns out there is a god, if he would actually punish you with eternal torment because of honest doubt, because you dared to question and use your mind, then he would be an evil, sadistic monster. If, on the other hand, there turns out to be a loving, benevolent deity after all, he will surely prefer honest doubt and sincere truth-seeking to blind faith and robotic worship, to turning off your mind.

Above all, don’t be afraid. You may be told that “you soul is at stake”, and that doubt leads to hell. But don’t be afraid to question, to express your doubts, and to not be satisfied until you find an answer, even though you may be told that you already have an “answer” and that you shouldn’t ever think about it any more. There’s something else at stake, something I believe is infinitely more real and important than any dubious, unseen, undefined “eternal soul”: your happiness. Your intellectual honesty. Your sense of self-worth and self-esteem. Your respect for truth and reality. Your freedom from fear and guilt. Your life.

All of those are real. They exist, and affect your life, without question — unlike most of the claims of religion, which are far from self-evident at best. And anyone who tells you that the above are meaningless, that your happiness isn’t important, that life is just a test, that you should “hate the world” and your life, and that the only thing that matters is whether you are “saved” from hell, that an unseen “god” owns you and you owe everything to him… anyone who tells you that, is not your friend. “Hell” does exist: it’s living life in pain, guilt and fear. It’s hating yourself for the “sin” of using your mind. It’s believing that you deserve damnation.

I’ve never written about this particular topic before, so I’m probably not the best assistance you (or anyyone else) can get, but if you (or anyone else) have any questions about this, please comment, and I’ll try to answer them as well as I can. Threats of eternal damnation / emotional blackmail, to me or to Matt, will be deleted, though. :)

Christianity without the Bible, part 3

Tuesday, March 27th, 2007

NOTE: You might want to read part 1 and part 2 as well.

From a comment by micah:

Why couldn’t belief in God come from something other than the bible? One doesn’t have to believe the biographies of George Washington are completely true to think that George Washington did indeed exist.

Expanding a little on my reply over there…

For a general belief in “a” god, no. But for Christianity, well, you can’t redefine terms. Much like you can’t say “I’m a vegan, but I eat meat,” you can’t say “I’m a Christian, but I think Jesus, if he existed, was just a man.” Both of those contradict the main point of the definitions!

Now, if you DON’T contradict the definitions, and believe in the divinity, sacrifice and resurrection of Jesus, and accept him as your savior, but refuse the Bible… well, there’s a problem, since there’s nothing else about Jesus from even NEAR his time. The 4 gospels were written decades after his death (and contradict one another, but that’s another story), but non-Christian literature only started to mention Jesus centuries after his death, and at a time when there were already many, many Christians; in other words, it was second-hand (or third-hand, because the only thing those Christians had was the gospels, and oral tradition) information at best.

So, how do you know whatever Jesus was, did, or say, without the Bible? How do you know he even existed?

Unless you’ve had a “vision” or dream of Jesus (and we know how reliable those are…), either you use the Bible, or you make up your own “Jesus”. I really don’t see any other possibilities here.