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		<title>Why the most radical fundamentalists (such as those in the Westboro Baptist Church) almost never lose their faith</title>
		<link>http://www.wayofthemind.org/2009/03/11/why-the-most-radical-fundamentalists-such-as-those-in-the-westboro-baptist-church-almost-never-lose-their-faith/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 11:06:26 +0000</pubDate>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“If I’m wrong and God doesn’t exist, then I’ve wasted all my life promoting the oppression of gays because of a lie. That would make me feel pretty bad. <a href="http://skepdic.com/sunkcost.html">Therefore</a>, God exists.”</p>
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		<title>California&#8217;s Proposition 8: Freedom and Power</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 11:57:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Pedro Timóteo</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Reading the comments on Hemant&#8217;s Questions for Anyone Who Voted for Proposition 8, I found, naturally (considering the blog), that most people supported equality, but there were a couple of people who thought that they were acting morally when trying to ban gay marriage. One comment included the following: I do believe that legalizing gay [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reading the comments on Hemant&#8217;s <a href="http://friendlyatheist.com/5582/questions-for-christians-who-voted-for-proposition-8/">Questions for Anyone Who Voted for Proposition 8</a>, I found, naturally (considering the blog), that most people supported equality, but there were a couple of people who thought that they were acting morally when trying to ban gay marriage. One comment included the following:</p>
<blockquote><p>I do believe that legalizing gay marriage would directly affect religious freedoms–all in the guise of “equal rights”.</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>Am I a bigot for supporting what I feel to be morally right?</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>I do believe that passing this amendment protects religious freedom. </p></blockquote>
<p>However, that person, though possibly unaware of the fact, has a problem with <i>definitions</i>. Because it&#8217;s not about (his) freedom at all, but about (his) <b>power</b>.</p>
<p>I think it was Richard Stallman who once wrote that the difference between a freedom and a power is that the former is being able to decide something which affects mostly <i>yourself</i>, and a power is to be able to decide something that affects mainly <i>others</i>. Now, when you, a religious heterosexual, can (and do) decide what others (gays) can and cannot do, which is the case? It takes an especially convulted and twisted mind &#8212; not to mention incredibly selfish and egocentric &#8212; to claim that whether gays can marry or not affects <i>you</i> more than it does <i>them</i><sup><a href="http://www.wayofthemind.org/2008/11/08/californias-proposition-8-freedom-and-power/#footnote_0_413" id="identifier_0_413" class="footnote-link footnote-identifier-link" title="e.g. &amp;#8220;not oppressing them hurts my feelings, so whether to oppress them or not is all about me.&amp;#8221;">1</a></sup>. To decide that they can&#8217;t marry is not a question of your freedom, but of you having <i>power</i> over <i>their</i> freedoms.</p>
<p>Also, losing a power you once had does <i>not</i> constitute a &#8220;loss of your freedom&#8221;, because none of the latter was affected. Christians love to claim that their &#8220;religious freedom&#8221; is being attacked, but no such thing has ever happened (unless, possibly, in Muslim theocracies), because their <em>freedoms</em> are unaffected; what they are losing is the <i>power</i> they&#8217;re used to having &#8212; and which they always had, through history, unjustly, and often through physical force.</p>
<hr/>Copyright &copy; 2012 <strong><a href="http://www.wayofthemind.org">Way of the Mind</a></strong> <ol class="footnotes"><li id="footnote_0_413" class="footnote">e.g. &#8220;not oppressing them hurts my feelings, so whether to oppress them or not is <i>all</i> about me.&#8221;</li></ol>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>Just when you think they can&#8217;t sink any lower&#8230;</title>
		<link>http://www.wayofthemind.org/2008/04/22/just-when-you-think-they-cant-sink-any-lower/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 10:01:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#8230; they put up a sign like this: From the article: Pastor Byrd says the sign is not meant to be racial or political but rather to make people think.&#160; &#8220;His name is so close to Osama I have a feeling he might be Islamic therefore he doesn&#8217;t recognize Christ,&#8221; Pastor Byrd said. and: Pastor [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230; they put up a sign like this:</p>
<p align="center"><a href="http://www.wspa.com/midatlantic/spa/news.apx.-content-articles-SPA-2008-04-20-0005.html"><img style="border-top-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; margin: 5px; border-right-width: 0px" height="198" alt="obamaosama" src="http://www.wayofthemind.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/obamaosama1.jpg" width="297" border="0"/></a> </p>
<p>From <a href="http://www.wspa.com/midatlantic/spa/news.apx.-content-articles-SPA-2008-04-20-0005.html">the article</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>Pastor Byrd says the sign is not meant to be racial or political but rather to make people think.&nbsp; &#8220;His name is so close to Osama I have a feeling he might be Islamic therefore he doesn&#8217;t recognize Christ,&#8221; Pastor Byrd said.</p>
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<p>and:</p>
<blockquote><p>Pastor Byrd told News Channel 7 he would ask his congregation to vote on whether to keep the sign.&nbsp; They voted unanimously to keep the sign up Sunday night.  </p>
<p>Jonesville Church of God does not have any African American members.</p>
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<p>You know what <em>really</em> infuriates me about this? Not that these assholes do this, but that <em>it works</em>. A good percentage of Americans probably &#8220;have a feeling&#8221; that Obama might be a Muslim, simply because of <em>his name</em>. How stupid can you get?  </p>
<p>(via <a href="http://friendlyatheist.com/2008/04/21/unanimous/">Friendly Atheist</a>)</p>
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		<title>Monique Davis&#8217; &quot;apology&quot; &#8211; double standards, anyone?</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 16:15:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Pedro Timóteo</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Alonzo Fyfe is completely right. Rep. Monique Davis apologized to Rob Sherman, the atheist she told to &#8220;get out of that seat&#8221; because he &#8220;believes in destroying&#8221;, which she equates with being an atheist, who has no right to go to court in &#8220;the land of Lincoln where people believe in God&#8221;. She apologized to [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://atheistethicist.blogspot.com/2008/04/representative-davis-non-apology.html">Alonzo Fyfe is completely right</a>.</p>
<p>Rep. Monique Davis apologized to Rob Sherman, the atheist she told to &#8220;get out of that seat&#8221; because he &#8220;believes in destroying&#8221;, which she equates with being an atheist, who has no right to go to court in &#8220;the land of Lincoln where people believe in God&#8221;. She apologized to him, personally, for insulting him &#8212; personally. As if she had just insulted <i>him</i>, instead of atheists in general. As if no bigotry was involved.</p>
<p>Alonzo compares it with Mel Gibson&#8217;s outburst against a Jewish policeman.</p>
<p>Did Gibson apologize just to the cop for insulting him personally? No, nor could he have done just that. He apologized to <em>the Jewish people</em> in general. He wasn&#8217;t just insulting that cop, he was accusing Jews of causing wars and being responsible for a number of evils in the world. That was not just rudeness, that was <em>bigotry</em>.</p>
<p>Why should Davis&#8217; outburst be treated differently? Why should people be satisfied with a personal apology for rudeness? She showed as much bigotry to <strong><em>all</em></strong> atheists as Mel Gibson did to <strong><em>all</em></strong> Jews. Do atheists have less rights? Have we bought into their propaganda so much that we&#8217;re willing to be reviled and demonized, and not do a damn thing about it? In which way are atheists morally inferior to Jews, or to any other group? Why should this kind of bigotry be excused, when it wouldn&#8217;t be if the target was any other?</p>
<p>Not to mention that Davis is not an actor, but an elected official. She has a much bigger responsibility for her actions than Gibson.</p>
<p>Read the comments on Alonzo&#8217;s post as well, where he gives suggestions on whom to contact in order to demand a <em>real</em> apology (or resignation) from Davis. As Alonzo says, and I said before, complaining to Davis is useless: the fact that <a href="http://www.wayofthemind.org/2008/04/09/its-dangerous-for-our-children-to-even-know-that-your-philosophy-exists/">the people she sees as the most obscenely evil&nbsp; in the world</a> criticize her actions only confirms their &#8220;righteousness&#8221; in her mind. </p>
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		<title>&quot;It&#8217;s dangerous for our children to even know that your philosophy exists&quot;</title>
		<link>http://www.wayofthemind.org/2008/04/09/its-dangerous-for-our-children-to-even-know-that-your-philosophy-exists/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 12:50:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Pedro Timóteo</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[(Note: you may want to read the prologue first.) From Rep. Davis&#8217; bigoted outburst about atheists, one part &#8220;jumped at me&#8221;, and I knew at the time (a few days ago) that I would have to dissect that point. That part is, of course, this post&#8217;s title. If you follow, logically, from a correct premise, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Note: you may want to read the <a href="http://www.wayofthemind.org/2008/04/08/its-dangerous-for-our-children-to-even-know-that-your-philosophy-exists-prologue/">prologue</a> first.)</p>
<p>From Rep. Davis&#8217; bigoted outburst about atheists, one part &#8220;jumped at me&#8221;, and I knew at the time (a few days ago) that I would have to dissect that point. That part is, of course, this post&#8217;s title.</p>
<p>If you follow, logically, from a correct premise, you will likely arrive at correct conclusions. However, if the premise itself is wrong, then the best logic in the world will still end up with a wrong conclusion&#8230; but it&#8217;s interesting to analyze those occurrences. This is one of them.</p>
<p>Rep. Davis, when she said that sentence, was being bigoted and ignorant, sure, not to mention hateful and full of &#8220;righteous anger&#8221;. However, there was something else there, something else you can hear in her voice. <em>Fear</em>.</p>
<p>And, from her original premise, she has every reason both to be afraid and to hate atheists. Because something very, very precious is at stake: the fate of eternal souls.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve talked about this before, but most people &#8212; believers and otherwise &#8212; have never really thought about the concept of hell, or eternal torture. Or are simply unable to grasp it in its entirety, because humans have not evolved &#8212; nor have they ever needed to, for their survival, so it makes sense &#8212; to deal with concepts such as <em>infinity</em>. The worst part of &#8220;eternal torture&#8221; isn&#8217;t &#8220;torture&#8221;, but <em>&#8220;eternal&#8221;</em>. Even mere eternal <em>boredom</em>, without any active torture, is a fate inconceivably horrible, to an extent our minds aren&#8217;t capable of imagining. There is no crime on Earth, which is necessarily finite, that warrants such a fate &#8212; and this is why I believe the doctrine of hell makes the Christian god supremely <em>evil</em>, more sadistic than the world&#8217;s most sadistic sadist, and I wonder why more people don&#8217;t see it. Cultural indoctrination, I guess.</p>
<p>But, even without fully grasping the concept of eternal torture, Christians know very well&nbsp; &#8212; even if sometimes just instinctually &#8212; that it&#8217;s something to be avoided at all costs, something worse than anything that can happen to us on Earth.</p>
<p>Now, think about it. You believe that the most important thing in the world &#8212; to such an overwhelming degree that, compared to it, <em>nothing else matters</em> &#8212; is to avoid going to hell. Both for yourself, and for those people you care about &#8212; and, if you&#8217;re a &#8220;nice&#8221;, well-meaning person, for <em>strangers</em> as well. Nothing you can do or achieve or feel here on Earth is worth anything if you still end up in hell. So, to save yourself (and, later, others) form hell, <strong>anything goes</strong>. No amount of earthly suffering really means anything compared to it. No amount of ignorance, of lying, of manipulating, of causing suffering to yourself and others is significant. Taken to the logical conclusion, to condemn someone to hours, days, months, even a <em>lifetime</em> of suffering, is a <em>moral act</em>&#8230; as long as it prevents that someone from going to hell! Indeed, this was the belief of the Inquisition. Better to be tortured for days or weeks and repent, thus having a chance of being saved, than to lead a pleasant life and then be damned for all time. If you <em>really believe</em> that God sends people to hell, then anything that prevents that is moral&#8230; no matter the suffering it causes.</p>
<p>But this is not simply a matter of suffering. It&#8217;s also a matter of <em>knowledge</em>. Any knowledge or way of thinking that can lead one to <em>doubt God</em> is dangerous &#8212; indeed, more dangerous than anything in the world &#8212; and must be suppressed. Whether that knowledge is true or false is immaterial. Evolution may indeed be a fact, and it is compatible with liberal theism, but it can also <a href="http://www.wayofthemind.org/2008/04/04/does-evolution-lead-to-atheism/">lead to non-belief</a>, and therefore its teaching must be opposed at all costs, regardless of its truth &#8212; simply because it may lead thousands, maybe millions of children to hell. And isn&#8217;t saving innocent children the most moral act one can perform?</p>
<p>Recall the preface in Richard Dawkins&#8217; <em>The God Delusion</em>, where he wrote (emphasis mine):</p>
<blockquote><p>I suspect &#8211; well, I am sure &#8211; that there are lots of people out there who have been brought up in some religion or other, are unhappy in it, don&#8217;t believe it, or are worried about the evils that are done in its name; people who feel vague yearnings to leave their parents&#8217; religion and wish they could, <strong>but just don&#8217;t realize that leaving is an option</strong>. If you are one of them, this book is for you. It is intended to raise consciousness &#8211; raise consciousness to the fact that to be an atheist is a realistic aspiration, and a brave and splendid one. You can be an atheist who is happy, balanced, moral, and intellectually fulfilled.</p>
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<p>Therefore, to a believer like Davis, the mere <em>existence</em> of atheists &#8212; and, not only that, but <em>happy, moral, fulfilled</em> atheists &#8212; is a threat, one that may cause many people to question their faith, to realize that, yes, non-belief <em>is</em> an option, and doesn&#8217;t make you a monster. It may cause millions of innocent souls to end up in hell. Morally, shouldn&#8217;t <em>that</em> be fought with tooth and nail? The mere existence of atheists is already a threat that is filling hell with souls that might not have ended there otherwise. But <em>vocal</em> atheists? <em>Publicly seen</em> atheists? Atheists that don&#8217;t act like hedonists, who don&#8217;t have &#8220;horns&#8221;, or frighten people? How many are they condemning to eternal suffering?  </p>
<p>If one believes that God sends non-believers to hell, then it only makes sense to do anything in your power &#8212; including oppressing, lying, cheating, stealing, and murdering &#8212; to stop any possible source of non-belief. Whether that source is a person or group, or a book, or an idea, or a philosophy, or a knowledge. Whether that source is itself moral, or is itself true. None of that matters. <em>Hell</em> is what matters.  </p>
<p>In fact, why stop there? Yes, the Bible says &#8220;thou shalt not murder&#8221;, so one can assume that a murderer goes to hell. But what greater sacrifice is there than one&#8217;s soul? What is giving up your life for others (say, your children), compared with up giving your soul? What could be more moral, more heroic, more noble than sacrificing <em>your</em> afterlife for that of your children&#8230; by killing that soul-damning atheist who is making them, for the first time in their lives, <em>doubt</em> what you&#8217;ve taught then since birth?  </p>
<p>Compared to that, what is disregarding the Constitution (man&#8217;s law&#8230; pfft.) and taking away the legal rights of an atheist? I&#8217;m sure Rep. Davis considers her bigoted actions to be absolutely moral, and probably won&#8217;t even understand what all the fuss is about. After all, she was doing it to save innocent souls&#8230; in her eyes, she should get a statue, or something. </p>
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		<title>&quot;It&#8217;s dangerous for our children to even know that your philosophy exists&quot; &#8211; prologue</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Readers of Planet Atheism will probably have already been flooded with posts talking about Rep. Monique Davis&#8217; unconstitutional and hate-filled insults against Rob Sherman, who was testifying against Illinois (unconstitutionally) giving 1 million dollars to a Baptist church. Here is Eric Zorn&#8217;s original news report in the Chicago Tribune, and here&#8217;s PZ Myers&#8217; post on [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Readers of <a href="http://planetatheism.com/">Planet Atheism</a> will probably have already been flooded with posts talking about Rep. Monique Davis&#8217; unconstitutional and hate-filled insults against Rob Sherman, who was testifying against Illinois (unconstitutionally) giving 1 million dollars to a Baptist church. Here is <a href="http://blogs.chicagotribune.com/news_columnists_ezorn/2008/04/rep-monique-dav.html">Eric Zorn&#8217;s original news report</a> in the Chicago Tribune, and here&#8217;s <a href="http://richarddawkins.net/article,2441,Get-out-of-here-atheists,PZ-Myers-Pharyngula">PZ Myers&#8217; post on RichardDawkins.net</a> (which I link to instead of the original on Pharyngula, as this one includes contact information for people to do something about it, instead of just posting comments <img src='http://www.wayofthemind.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  ).</p>
<p>Well, as <em>this</em> post&#8217;s title says, this is a prologue for the next one, about that particular quote from Davis. I wanted that one to focus on that quote itself, which is why I&#8217;m introducing the story here, in a separate post. The &#8220;real thing&#8221; comes later today.</p>
<p>Also, I&#8217;m not American, so there&#8217;s little I can do about it, but if you <em>are</em>, and care for that pesky thing called the Constitution (not to mention the civil rights issue of having non-believers demonized and insulted by politicians without consequence &#8212; imagine if Davis&#8217; rant had been against a particular religion or skin color!), please follow the second link above for ways to make a difference. Even if you&#8217;re not an atheist, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came...">you should still care</a>&#8230;</p>
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