While this post hasn’t got any replies so far (mainly, I believe, because the image has already been posted by other members of Planet Atheism, so it’s probably not new to readers of this blog), its equivalent on my technology blog did draw a few ones, which inspired me to write this (right here, because it’s really not appropriate for the other blog).
Consider the three Abrahamic religions. What do they have in common?
First, they tell you how the universe / world began, using a story that was clearly the best thing that some primitive desert nomads or shepherds could come up with. Most “sophisticated” believers, these days, don’t take those stories literally, and accept evolution, an old earth, heliocentrism, a huge universe, a round earth, and so on. Only American fundies and Muslims seem to take those stories literally, no matter the opposing evidence; they probably believe their god put that evidence there as “a test of their faith”.
Then, the religions give believers some rules:
1- the first kind are rules that, while not terribly original, are, in general, a good idea. Don’t steal, don’t lie, don’t kill someone just because you feel like it, and so on.
2- then come the laws that can be annoying to follow, but it’s not the end of the world. Don’t eat that type of food, don’t wear this, wear that, do this on that day of the year, and so on. As I said, these can be annoying (for instance, what if you’re forbidden to eat your favorite food?), but most believers can live with them and obey them.
3- finally, there are the “harder” rules. Kill people who do this. Kill people who do that. Stone to death those who don’t do this. Or those who do that on a particular day of the week. Fight tooth and nail against the “enemies of God / the faith”. In fact, giving your life for that is the greatest thing you can do, and with the greatest reward.
Now, it should be obvious that a “moderate”, as usually described, is someone who follows just 1 and 2, while an “extremist” follows 3 as well.
But… how can the latter be called an “extremist”? Doesn’t the term imply that he is distorting his religion, or using it as an excuse for something unrelated, or adding something to it? To me, it does. But that’s not the case at all…
… it’s the moderates who are distorting religion, by removing things from it! Either because they don’t want to end up in prison or dead, or because their morality has evolved beyond those of the holy books’ writers, and so they recognize the immorality of those parts of their religion, but are nonetheless incapable of applying that judgment to the rest.
Are Bin Laden, or the 9/11 hijackers, or American abortion clinic bombers, “extremists”? Not at all, in my opinion — unless you call call a man who pays his taxes in full “an extremist taxpayer”. They’re simply not ignoring the unpleasant parts of their faith. They’re the only devout believers out there.
Which really paints a nice picture of their religions…
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I agree wholeheartedly. I often find myself trying to explain that concept to people in various conversations I have had. Especially during this time, people in America are so quick to point out all the violence and intolerance that is taking place (or has been taking place but is more public with technology and all) by those who practice Islam. “Christians are more tolerant!” and “You don’t see Christians stoning people to death in the street *anymore*!” Well…. that is because Christians ignore more than half of their holy book and Muslims do not. All of the Abrahamic religions teach that everyone else is wrong. They don’t make exceptions for the other two Abrahamic religions. They call them “heretics” and “heathens” and “infidels” and what does it say to do to those people in the various holy books? It’s pretty explicit (although you can’t argue that it’s not contradictory in the same breath).
So basically what they are saying is that…. Christianity is better than Islam because Christians read the “good parts” Bible and not the whole thing. Okay. So Muslims are bad because they don’t ignore 2/3rds of their inerrant word of god? Doesn’t make sense. Try again. They are not being “extreme”. They are being completely and utterly loyal and dedicated to what their religion says.. not ignoring most of what they don’t like. It’s all ridiculous anyway but that’s not is being argued most of the time. ^_^
Just a question, but can anyone point me to a verse in the Qu’ran that supports martyrdom to kill non believers?
Ross, I’m a bit tired today, but I’ll try to find it tomorrow.
Meanwhile, you can probably find something here: http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/cruelty/long.html .
Exactly! I’ve said the same thing on my blog a couple times.
http://bonobobabe.wordpress.com/2007/05/07/the-trouble-with-islam/
http://bonobobabe.wordpress.com/2007/02/05/bring-on-the-fatwa/
It might help if you were to speak with a couple of people that sought to understand this with an open heart and mind. Of course, you would need to approach their thoughts with an open heart and mind. Good luck.
Suffice it to say that man and society’s relationship to God has changed over time.