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		<title>By: Pedro Timóteo</title>
		<link>http://www.wayofthemind.org/2007/03/22/religious-moderates/comment-page-1/#comment-14249</link>
		<dc:creator>Pedro Timóteo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2007 18:56:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Micah: about disregarding the Bible, that's, I believe, a different subject. I've written about it before: &lt;a href="http://www.wayofthemind.org/2006/10/06/christianity-without-the-bible/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Christianity without the Bible&lt;/a&gt;, and its &lt;a href="http://www.wayofthemind.org/2006/10/06/christianity-without-the-bible-part-2/" rel="nofollow"&gt;second part&lt;/a&gt;. I'd like to hear your thoughts on them, but, due to on-topicness, please comment on &lt;i&gt;them&lt;/i&gt;, OK?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Micah: about disregarding the Bible, that&#8217;s, I believe, a different subject. I&#8217;ve written about it before: <a href="http://www.wayofthemind.org/2006/10/06/christianity-without-the-bible/" rel="nofollow">Christianity without the Bible</a>, and its <a href="http://www.wayofthemind.org/2006/10/06/christianity-without-the-bible-part-2/" rel="nofollow">second part</a>. I&#8217;d like to hear your thoughts on them, but, due to on-topicness, please comment on <i>them</i>, OK?</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://www.wayofthemind.org/2007/03/22/religious-moderates/comment-page-1/#comment-14243</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2007 18:31:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Micah, are you saying you can be a Christian without believing the bible? I would have thought that was a prerequisite. I mean otherwise how do you know what to believe? In all seriousness if we get our morals from religion, which I don't believe for a second, then how can you not believe in the bible? Isn't it the work of God? As his creations, shouldn't we have to follow his commands? Also how would you even know about Jesus without the bible, or without someone who does believe or at least know the bible? I would be genuinely interested in hearing how it doesn't logically adhere.

Sometimes when talking about religion, mainly Christianity because I'm familiar with it the most, I'm told that I would not say the same things about Muslims or Jews or even Hindus. I would hope to think I would, but I rarely get to meet such people. The same people tend to have the idea that all beliefs should be respected, yet fail to show the due respect to new beliefs such as Scientology or Mormonism. It seems respect is only for the old Abrahamic faiths.

Alex</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Micah, are you saying you can be a Christian without believing the bible? I would have thought that was a prerequisite. I mean otherwise how do you know what to believe? In all seriousness if we get our morals from religion, which I don&#8217;t believe for a second, then how can you not believe in the bible? Isn&#8217;t it the work of God? As his creations, shouldn&#8217;t we have to follow his commands? Also how would you even know about Jesus without the bible, or without someone who does believe or at least know the bible? I would be genuinely interested in hearing how it doesn&#8217;t logically adhere.</p>
<p>Sometimes when talking about religion, mainly Christianity because I&#8217;m familiar with it the most, I&#8217;m told that I would not say the same things about Muslims or Jews or even Hindus. I would hope to think I would, but I rarely get to meet such people. The same people tend to have the idea that all beliefs should be respected, yet fail to show the due respect to new beliefs such as Scientology or Mormonism. It seems respect is only for the old Abrahamic faiths.</p>
<p>Alex</p>
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		<title>By: Micah</title>
		<link>http://www.wayofthemind.org/2007/03/22/religious-moderates/comment-page-1/#comment-14028</link>
		<dc:creator>Micah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2007 07:47:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You seem to be assuming that one must believe the bible to be a Christian, and that if one disregarded the bible, they wouldn't be as "true" of a Christian as someone who did pay attention to the bible.

That doesn't logically adhere.

[quote post="239"]There’s also a third kind of believers: the liberals. Those are the most harmless ones, I guess, though they are so mainly because they don’t take their religion seriously; as Harris says, they actually don’t really know what they believe, and have never thought about it; they just like the feeling of going to church, and of “belonging” there.[/quote]

Even if one were to be a "liberal" by your definition, and disregarded the bible, it does not mean that they don't take their religion seriously. And it doesn't mean that they don't know what they believe, or that they never thought about it.

I know "liberals" who certainly take their religion seriously, and have seriously thought about, but whose religion does not include the bible.

-micah</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You seem to be assuming that one must believe the bible to be a Christian, and that if one disregarded the bible, they wouldn&#8217;t be as &#8220;true&#8221; of a Christian as someone who did pay attention to the bible.</p>
<p>That doesn&#8217;t logically adhere.</p>
<p>[quote post="239"]There’s also a third kind of believers: the liberals. Those are the most harmless ones, I guess, though they are so mainly because they don’t take their religion seriously; as Harris says, they actually don’t really know what they believe, and have never thought about it; they just like the feeling of going to church, and of “belonging” there.[/quote]</p>
<p>Even if one were to be a &#8220;liberal&#8221; by your definition, and disregarded the bible, it does not mean that they don&#8217;t take their religion seriously. And it doesn&#8217;t mean that they don&#8217;t know what they believe, or that they never thought about it.</p>
<p>I know &#8220;liberals&#8221; who certainly take their religion seriously, and have seriously thought about, but whose religion does not include the bible.</p>
<p>-micah</p>
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		<title>By: Marcy</title>
		<link>http://www.wayofthemind.org/2007/03/22/religious-moderates/comment-page-1/#comment-14019</link>
		<dc:creator>Marcy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2007 07:23:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I totally agree, Pedro.  I posted a comment on a "liberal" blog regarding a post about religion, and even though lots of the people commenting were atheists, they called me a bigot.  See, you're really only allowed to criticize Christianity, and really only FUNDAMENTALIST Christians.  If you criticize Jews or Muslims, you're supposedly racist.  

I argued that the Abrahamic religions are misogynistic and violent.  But because they're RELIGIONS, we have to be tolerant.  If someone came up to me on the street and said, "I think you are less than human, and also, since you don't agree with my belief system, I am going to kill you," I would call the cops.  But if someone came up to me on the street and said those things, but followed it with, "because God told me so," I'm suddenly supposed to be tolerant?  No way!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally agree, Pedro.  I posted a comment on a &#8220;liberal&#8221; blog regarding a post about religion, and even though lots of the people commenting were atheists, they called me a bigot.  See, you&#8217;re really only allowed to criticize Christianity, and really only FUNDAMENTALIST Christians.  If you criticize Jews or Muslims, you&#8217;re supposedly racist.  </p>
<p>I argued that the Abrahamic religions are misogynistic and violent.  But because they&#8217;re RELIGIONS, we have to be tolerant.  If someone came up to me on the street and said, &#8220;I think you are less than human, and also, since you don&#8217;t agree with my belief system, I am going to kill you,&#8221; I would call the cops.  But if someone came up to me on the street and said those things, but followed it with, &#8220;because God told me so,&#8221; I&#8217;m suddenly supposed to be tolerant?  No way!</p>
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