Comments on: The point of the Hitler and Stalin Cliché http://www.wayofthemind.org/2007/03/19/the-point-of-the-hitler-and-stalin-cliche/ Sat, 26 Feb 2011 12:19:13 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: TXStorm http://www.wayofthemind.org/2007/03/19/the-point-of-the-hitler-and-stalin-cliche/comment-page-1/#comment-13193 TXStorm Wed, 21 Mar 2007 18:59:56 +0000 http://www.wayofthemind.org/2007/03/19/the-point-of-the-hitler-and-stalin-cliche/#comment-13193 The largest hurdle is in getting the religous to accept that reason, not faith, determines truth. Without this no discussion can occur at all, because there can be no common ground. When one side assumes that they can simply decree that everyone else is in error without any evidence or reason, then there is no objectivity, and no respect for others. Since this attitude is crucial to faith, such discussions either fail else result in an abandonment of faith. The largest hurdle is in getting the religous to accept that reason, not faith, determines truth. Without this no discussion can occur at all, because there can be no common ground. When one side assumes that they can simply decree that everyone else is in error without any evidence or reason, then there is no objectivity, and no respect for others. Since this attitude is crucial to faith, such discussions either fail else result in an abandonment of faith.

]]> By: Micah http://www.wayofthemind.org/2007/03/19/the-point-of-the-hitler-and-stalin-cliche/comment-page-1/#comment-13117 Micah Wed, 21 Mar 2007 15:18:32 +0000 http://www.wayofthemind.org/2007/03/19/the-point-of-the-hitler-and-stalin-cliche/#comment-13117 Nice discussion, and it brings to mind a question: Could religious people and atheists (as a group) have a civil informational conversation? Doing so would require a realization on the part of religious people that atheists are not necessarily immoral heathens. From the atheists, it would require the realization that not all religious people believe in a traditional "hell", eternal punishment for non-theists, and all the other commonly discussed negative traits of some forms of religion. -micah Nice discussion, and it brings to mind a question:

Could religious people and atheists (as a group) have a civil informational conversation?

Doing so would require a realization on the part of religious people that atheists are not necessarily immoral heathens.

From the atheists, it would require the realization that not all religious people believe in a traditional “hell”, eternal punishment for non-theists, and all the other commonly discussed negative traits of some forms of religion.

-micah

]]> By: Pedro Timóteo http://www.wayofthemind.org/2007/03/19/the-point-of-the-hitler-and-stalin-cliche/comment-page-1/#comment-13002 Pedro Timóteo Wed, 21 Mar 2007 12:11:12 +0000 http://www.wayofthemind.org/2007/03/19/the-point-of-the-hitler-and-stalin-cliche/#comment-13002 [quote post="235"]So Hitler wasn’t about killing animals, but he killed the Jews, gypsies, gays, and countless others? Shows how well he thought of them.[/quote] Without wanting to go offtopic, there are many possible reasons to be a vegetarian, and that's only one of them. For all we know, he may have done it for health reasons, or may simply not have liked the taste of meat. Anyway, this proves Alonzo's point: the fact that Hitler was a vegetarian doesn't condemn vegetarians in any way. [quote post="235"]So Hitler wasn’t about killing animals, but he killed the Jews, gypsies, gays, and countless others? Shows how well he thought of them.[/quote]

Without wanting to go offtopic, there are many possible reasons to be a vegetarian, and that’s only one of them. For all we know, he may have done it for health reasons, or may simply not have liked the taste of meat.

Anyway, this proves Alonzo’s point: the fact that Hitler was a vegetarian doesn’t condemn vegetarians in any way.

]]> By: overcaffein8d http://www.wayofthemind.org/2007/03/19/the-point-of-the-hitler-and-stalin-cliche/comment-page-1/#comment-12842 overcaffein8d Wed, 21 Mar 2007 00:59:23 +0000 http://www.wayofthemind.org/2007/03/19/the-point-of-the-hitler-and-stalin-cliche/#comment-12842 [quote comment="12815"]Hitler was also as I'm sure you know, a vegetarian. ;-)[/quote] So Hitler wasn't about killing animals, but he killed the Jews, gypsies, gays, and countless others? Shows how well he thought of them. I'm a Jew and I didn't know that. [quote comment="12815"]Hitler was also as I’m sure you know, a vegetarian. ;-) [/quote]

So Hitler wasn’t about killing animals, but he killed the Jews, gypsies, gays, and countless others? Shows how well he thought of them.

I’m a Jew and I didn’t know that.

]]> By: Chandira http://www.wayofthemind.org/2007/03/19/the-point-of-the-hitler-and-stalin-cliche/comment-page-1/#comment-12815 Chandira Tue, 20 Mar 2007 22:43:32 +0000 http://www.wayofthemind.org/2007/03/19/the-point-of-the-hitler-and-stalin-cliche/#comment-12815 There's nothing you can ever say that will ever convince the religionists. They have their superstitions and that's it. They are entitled their beliefs, too, , which is all any of us ever really have, isn't it? I wish we could all just get along and see the funny side of it all instead of killing for superstition and belief, or lack of. I'm not an atheist, but I certainly respect your beliefs, theirs, my own, and whatever any of us thinks is reality. Maybe we're ALL right. Maybe none of us are. I definitely don't believe in a 'God' separate from humanity like most people like that tend to believe in though, that's for sure. I'm more of an Eastern thinker in my thoughts on God, more Buddhist, I suppose, than anything else. We're all a part of the whatever-it-is, and that whatever-it-is, is Love, compassion, tolerance and peace. Hitler was also as I'm sure you know, a vegetarian. ;-) There’s nothing you can ever say that will ever convince the religionists. They have their superstitions and that’s it. They are entitled their beliefs, too, , which is all any of us ever really have, isn’t it? I wish we could all just get along and see the funny side of it all instead of killing for superstition and belief, or lack of.

I’m not an atheist, but I certainly respect your beliefs, theirs, my own, and whatever any of us thinks is reality. Maybe we’re ALL right. Maybe none of us are. I definitely don’t believe in a ‘God’ separate from humanity like most people like that tend to believe in though, that’s for sure. I’m more of an Eastern thinker in my thoughts on God, more Buddhist, I suppose, than anything else. We’re all a part of the whatever-it-is, and that whatever-it-is, is Love, compassion, tolerance and peace.

Hitler was also as I’m sure you know, a vegetarian. ;-)

]]> By: Rev. http://www.wayofthemind.org/2007/03/19/the-point-of-the-hitler-and-stalin-cliche/comment-page-1/#comment-12620 Rev. Tue, 20 Mar 2007 00:36:16 +0000 http://www.wayofthemind.org/2007/03/19/the-point-of-the-hitler-and-stalin-cliche/#comment-12620 [quote comment="12619"]*I firmly believe*.....[quote] Sorry, my typing skills are lacking :] [quote comment="12619"]*I firmly believe*…..[quote]
Sorry, my typing skills are lacking :]

]]> By: Rev. http://www.wayofthemind.org/2007/03/19/the-point-of-the-hitler-and-stalin-cliche/comment-page-1/#comment-12619 Rev. Tue, 20 Mar 2007 00:34:11 +0000 http://www.wayofthemind.org/2007/03/19/the-point-of-the-hitler-and-stalin-cliche/#comment-12619 I am a firmly believe that we should be judged as individuals, regardless of religious or non-religious affiliation. If one states that anothers belief or non-belief as the cause of their wrong doing, It implies that the individual did not have free will in their choices. I am a firmly believe that we should be judged as individuals, regardless of religious or non-religious affiliation. If one states that anothers belief or non-belief as the cause of their wrong doing, It implies that the individual did not have free will in their choices.

]]> By: Noam Samuel http://www.wayofthemind.org/2007/03/19/the-point-of-the-hitler-and-stalin-cliche/comment-page-1/#comment-12598 Noam Samuel Mon, 19 Mar 2007 21:19:34 +0000 http://www.wayofthemind.org/2007/03/19/the-point-of-the-hitler-and-stalin-cliche/#comment-12598 Definitely the case. Stalinism even has its own holy texts (which are interpreted and re-interpreted), theology and skewed science (lots of experiments intended to prove that people can be reformed or changed). Definitely the case. Stalinism even has its own holy texts (which are interpreted and re-interpreted), theology and skewed science (lots of experiments intended to prove that people can be reformed or changed).

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