Archive for February, 2007

FAQ: Without belief in an afterlife / fear of hell, how can people be moral?

Wednesday, February 28th, 2007

Think of two children. One “behaves” because he was properly raised, because he really cares about doing the right thing, because he has moral principles. The second “behaves” only because he’s afraid of being spanked. Which one do you think is the “better” child? The most moral one?

There are many possible reasons to care for other people. Empathy, for instance. Cooperation. Community. Belief in other people. Love. Respect. A sense of justice, of fairness. Wanting to make the world a better place. Does one really need a threat of eternal punishment as well?

In fact, when you say that “without fear of hell, people would kill, rape, steal, and so on”, aren’t you, in effect, saying that you would do exactly that if you didn’t believe you’d go to hell for it? That you, yourself, don’t see any other reasons not to kill, rape or steal?

(Note: please keep any comments related to the above question / answer, and not to other subjects, such as whether God exists or not. Thanks.)

FAQ: Why do you hate God?

Tuesday, February 27th, 2007

Let me ask you a similar question: Why do you hate Thor?

You don’t, right? You’re pretty sure that Thor doesn’t exist, and it’s absurd to “hate” something that isn’t real.

Well, to an atheist, it’s exactly the same. Your god, to the best of our knowledge, exists as much as Thor. He’s as real as Thor is. In other words, he doesn’t exist at all. And we — much like you, I bet — certainly don’t “hate” beings we believe to be non-existent.

If you sometimes feel any anger from some of us, it’s probably directed at some particular Christians and their actions, because we think those actions are harming humanity in general. Not at “God”. The thing is, Christians are real. So are their actions. Nobody denies that. We’re convinced, however, that the Christian god — much like all the thousands of other gods invented by mankind throughout history — doesn’t exist. That he’s not real.

You don’t “hate” beings you know are fictional, such as Thor, Santa Claus, or the Tooth Fairy… and neither do we.

(Note: please keep any comments related to the above question / answer, and not to other subjects, such as whether God exists or not. Thanks.)

Coming next: a short atheism FAQ

Tuesday, February 27th, 2007

Since I’m getting a bit annoyed at always having to answer the same comments by theists who almost never read the entire post, much less the subsequent discussion, and always come up with arguments that they surely believe are incredibly original, such as Pascal’s Wager, “why do you hate God?”, and so on, I’m going to write a FAQ (frequently asked questions).

There are already many other such FAQs out there, but I think it’ll be fun to write my own. :) Each question (and answer) will be a post, and there will be a link to the entire FAQ at the top of the site. Afterwards, when someone posts a comment saying something never seen before such as “you’re only an atheist because you don’t want any moral rules” :) , I’ll just reply with link to the appropriate answer.

I’ll try to write the first question and answer later today…

Morality and suffering

Friday, February 23rd, 2007

This is something I’ve been thinking about for a while, and which I’ve actually mentioned in arguments in my personal blog (in Portuguese), about the abortion referendum in Portugal. It was also inspired in part, by posts by TXStorm in the Way of the Mind Forum, and by some parts of Sam Harris’ The End of Faith.

The question is this: are morality and suffering related, or independent? In other words, when trying to figure out if a particular action is moral or immoral, should we consider the suffering that it will cause (both to ourselves and to others) the most important factor? A less important factor? Or not at all?

Well, if reducing suffering or creating joy aren’t the basis of morality, then it raises (not “begs”! I’m sick of that mistake! :)begging the question” is a logical fallacy.) an obvious question: then what is the basis of morality? And any answer to that question, unless I’m missing something, is necessarily something arbitrary.

If morality isn’t reducing suffering or creating joy, then it’s obeying something or someone: an authority figure, a god, society, a government, etc.. And, in many cases, obeying those abstract and arbitrary “rules of morality” causes a lot of suffering to many — indeed, it’s one of the biggest causes of suffering in the world.

The biggest culprit? Religion, of course. Nothing and no one separates morality from suffering as well and as much as religion does.

Think about it. Muslims around the world torture their women (there’s really no other word for it) because of their religion. Women in many countries are condemned to lives of pain and humiliation, treated as worse than animals. Now, any “normal”, decent human being would feel empathy for the suffering of millions of innocent women, and would perhaps try to put a stop to it. But Muslim men don’t do it, because of religion. In fact, they are taught since birth that doing such a horror to their women is moral, and that not doing so would be immoral. They are blinded to the suffering they cause, because, to them, morality and suffering are unrelated.

This, of course, doesn’t happen just among Muslims. Take Christianity. AIDS runs rampant in Africa, and yet a Pope tells them that using contraceptives is a “sin”, that it’s immoral. Why? Because God “says” so. Obeying God (an arbitrary commandment) is moral; who cares about suffering? This life is but a test to see whether you go to heaven or not, anyway.

Stem cell research is banned. It could lead to the easing of the suffering of millions, but who cares about that? It’s “immoral”, because God says so. Abortion is another example: anyone who is dogmatically against it doesn’t care about the suffering of mothers and children; it offends their “morality”, so it must be forbidden.

Sex education is a bad thing, because it may lead (horror of horrors!) to young people believing that, hey, sex is not a “sin” after all, but a perfectly natural, healthy thing. And that will not do, since the Bible tells us that sex is “dirty”, and that sex between unmarried people is “sinful”. So people are kept afraid of their own sexuality, are told that any of their desires are “dirty” and “immoral”, and that sex is for reproduction only, and should never give “pleasure”.

Homosexuals are told that their sexuality is “unnatural” and “an abomination”, condemning many of them to lives of shame, of self-denial, of lies. Why? It’s in the Bible. That it will cause them to suffer during the entirety of their lives is irrelevant; who cares about suffering, anyway? Morality is obeying God, and only that matters.

I could go on, and mention the crusades, the inquisitions, the attempts of Christians to ban anesthesia (because it “interfered with God’s punishment against Eve”, believe it or not!), their attempts to prevent the end of slavery (it’s in the Bible, after all), and all the other atrocities committed in the name of religion. But there’s really no need; right now, either you have seen what’s absolutely and utterly wrong with separating morality and suffering, or are sticking — and probably will always do so — to the abstract, arbitrary “morality” of doing what someone (whether real or not) wants. If many suffer… who cares, right? You feel “moral”, and that’s what’s important.

How to Start a Religion

Thursday, February 22nd, 2007

Seen on Deep Thoughts, a link to one of the most serious (!) articles on Uncyclopedia: How to Start a Religion.

As I said, it’s not just an article for laughs, like most of them in Uncyclopedia are. This one is actually a “useful” guide (“useful” if you really wanted to start a religion, that is), and suggests how most common religions were actually created.

I’ve actually thought about creating a religion some years ago, but a “joke” one. Maybe I’ll do it someday. :)

Carl Sagan: little gods

Wednesday, February 21st, 2007

In some respects, science has far surpassed religion in delivering awe. How is it that hardly any major religion has looked at science and concluded, “This is better than we thought! The Universe is much bigger than our prophets said, grander, more subtle, more elegant. God must be even greater than we dreamed!”? Instead they say, “No, no, no! My god is a little god, and I want him to stay that way.”

– Carl Sagan

The abortion referendum in Portugal

Monday, February 12th, 2007

This concerns mostly my own country, but I felt I had to post about this.

While way too many people were too self-centered (“this doesn’t concern me, so I won’t move my ass”) to do anything at all (only about 40% of the population actually voted), still, the results were positive: the “don’t send women to prison anymore” side won. It shows that the Portuguese people are slowly, but surely, leaving the Middle Ages.

Today’s referendum, no matter what the fundies said, wasn’t about “saving lives” (anyone who really needs to have an abortion, will almost surely get one — even if it involves falling down a flight of stairs –, and who is concerned about their lives?). It was, instead, a choice between those who believe people should be free to decide things for themselves, and those who feel they have the “right” to control other people’s lives, to impose their own morality upon the rest.

Fortunately, and while the result isn’t “binding” (the turnout was too low), the former group won, and the prime minister has promised to use their parliament majority to change the law. It’s great to feel proud of my country, for a change. :)

One month of Planet Atheism

Friday, February 9th, 2007

Planet Atheism (info on joining), my aggregator of atheism-related blogs, was launched exactly one month ago today. It has steadily increased in number of blogs (41, as I write this), and readership is on the rise, too.

During this month, there were technical changes as well; for instance, from time to time, a post didn’t close its HTML tags properly, and its formatting “spilled over” to other posts after it. I spent about 2 days finding a way to deal with it, and I believe I’ve succeeded, now. :) Some software versions were also updated, but you probably don’t care about that.

Personally, I have enjoyed PA so far, for two reasons: one, I, myself, have a place to read more than 40 very interesting blogs every day. It’s usually the first web page I open, in the morning. To me, this is a much better way to keep up with those blogs than using individual RSS feeds, or opening 40 blogs every day. :) Some of the member’s blogs I already followed; others were new, fascinating discoveries.

The other reason is more “human”: I love to see posts saying “I found this link on PA”, or comments saying “Hi, I found your blog on PA; here’s what I think of your post…”. I love the feeling of having created something that other people, too, enjoy and find useful. :)

Anyway, I’d like to ask you some questions:

  1. if you have a blog, and are on PA, what do you think of the experience? Has your readership gone up? Are there new people commenting?
  2. if you have a blog (related to atheism), and are not on PA, any reasons for that? (You can always ask me to remove you later, if you don’t like the experience… :) )
  3. do you read PA? If not, why not?
  4. if you read PA, how do you do it? Visit it once a day? More than once? Use its RSS feed (which I provide, but I don’t use myself – I don’t like reading feeds with too many posts a day, but reading them on a single web page works for me)?
  5. have you discovered any new blogs through PA, that you currently enjoy reading?
  6. do you often click on a post’s link to go to the individual post and comment, or to watch YouTube videos (which don’t show up in PA)? (You were aware you could do so, right? ;) )
  7. any suggestions for improving PA?

I appreciate any replies. :)

Finally, if a friend of yours has an atheism-related blog, why not suggest that him or her join PA? ;)

Making the world a worse place: the other side of the coin

Wednesday, February 7th, 2007

I mentioned the “Rapture-ready” Christians in the previous post; how they actually want the world to get worse, because, according to Revelations, it’s supposed to get worse before Jesus comes, and so, by trying to make the world a better place, you’re interfering with God’s plan.

Oddly enough, there is another group of Christians whose goal is, apparently, the opposite of the previous group’s, but who end up doing mostly the same. They’re the Christians who believe that the world is God’s, and, so, it’s impossible for us “mere mortals” to really ruin it.

To them, global warming, for instance, isn’t a problem; if needed, God will just intervene, because there’s no way he would allow the earth to become uninhabitable for us, his greatest creation — indeed, his main reason for creating the world universe, according to many.

And, so… what do they end up doing? Exactly the same as those who say that the world should get worse! Fight global warming? Nah, God will take care of it; besides, global warming is “just a theory”, because not every single scientist in the world agrees on it. Wars? They’re minor things. Epidemics? Not a problem, they’re always minor and localized. Pollution? Again, this is God’s Earth — it’s incredibly arrogant to believe that we mortals can ever ruin God’s work. And shows a lack of faith, too: don’t you trust God?

And so, there are pages like this, or this, whose main message is “there is no global warming”, and, therefore, there’s no need to worry or do anything about it.

Making the world a worse place. Whether you actually want it, or simply don’t believe it can happen.

Making the world a worse place: the ‘Rapture-Ready’ Christians

Sunday, February 4th, 2007

I just followed this link from The New Atheist: The Troubling Worldview of the ‘Rapture-Ready’ Christian. If it doesn’t scare you at least a little, I don’t see what could.

The article is written by a Christian pastor, by the way. And even he is disturbed by the “Rapture-Ready” Christians.

I have never met any in person (it seems to be a mostly US-based phenomenon, and I live in Portugal), but I’ve read their writings, web pages and forums. And they’re a crazy bunch indeed – not really different from a “death cult” like Jim Jones’. The problem is that, unlike those cults, they’re not seen as obvious lunatics by other Christians; they see them as more devout, with different priorities, but, since they say the words “Jesus Christ” so often, people are reticent to say that they’re actually a problem.

And another problem is that, like the article above says, they have the ear of the White House, and influence foreign policy.

According to those people, the world is supposed to get worse and worse, until all Christians are “raptured”; then the real End Times will follow, according to Revelations; it will be pretty bad for those still on Earth, but eventually Jesus will come back.

So, if it’s supposed to get worse before it gets better, then trying to prevent things from getting worse is… going against God’s plan! After all, by trying to have any semblance of peace in the Middle East, or by fighting disease, pollution and global warming, you are simply delaying the Rapture.

Let me say it in another way: according to that kind of Christians, there is no reason to try and make the world a better place. Either for them, or for their children (actually, they tend to expect the Rapture during their lives, so there’s really no need to think of the future, since, to them, there isn’t one). There’s no point in peace talks, medicine, “green” power, and all that. The world is supposed to “go to hell”, but Christians are “raptured” to a safe place, and the ones who remain on Earth are mostly damned anyway.

And, if you disagree with them, you’re not a “real Christian”, of course.

Now, I don’t want to (re)start any conspiracy theories here, but just think about how conservatives have, for decades, denied the reality of global warming, for instance. Or how they’ve started a war in the Middle East, and are already talking about the next one (Iran). How they ban many promising avenues of medical research, due to their religious beliefs.

See what I mean?

Atheists in denial?

Thursday, February 1st, 2007

Many believers say, or imply, that atheists are in denial. Supposedly, one is too arrogant to acknowledge a superior being, and/or doesn’t want rules in his his life, so he “chooses” atheism, though, deep inside, he (like everyone else) really “knows” God exists.

This is not a straw man: theists actually say this, and you can easily find examples of that position. But, if people would think even a little, they would find it absurd. I may not respect my incompetent ex-boss, but I’m not pretending to myself that he doesn’t exist! For the same reason, if I believed that there was a god (or gods), I might choose not to worship him, but to deny his existence? How absurd would that be? What would I gain by deluding myself that way?

And how insulting is a believer’s accusation that a person would ever do something so dishonest and idiotic? Would they like me to tell them that, deep inside, they know there is no God, but they say they believe in him for “popularity” reasons? (that is true of televangelists, of course, but not of believers in general)

Could it be that some believers refuse to believe real atheists exist because it’s a threat to their world view? That some of them do have doubts, but keep them hidden deep inside, because a) it’s a sin to doubt, which can lead to eternal damnation, and b) it may cause them to lose the respect of fellow believers? So, not only do they hide their doubt, but they convince themselves that nobody else really doubts. That the existence of God is obvious to everyone — and, so, atheists are lying, out of a weird sense of rebellion, perhaps. A honest non-believer, to them, would imply that someone, out there, has looked at the world, at the available evidence and decided that there probably is no God. This may cause the believer’s own doubt to surface, even if just for a moment, and that way lies damnation. Nah, there are really no atheists. They’re just a bunch of rebellious brats who don’t want any moral rules above them. Everyone knows there is a God.

This is just my pet “theory” about why so many believers “deny” our existence. I’m not saying that’s the explanation for every single case (though I find it difficult to imagine another). And it’s, also, a rant on my part, because I’ve seen this position too often, and I find it annoying. Again, how would believers enjoy being told that they don’t really believe, that they’re actually in denial about their non-belief?