Monthly Archive for December, 2006

Atheism and "100% certainty"

I’m going to expand on a comment I made in the “Deism and Pantheism” discussion.

Many theists, often, say things like the following:

Agnostics are OK, but atheists are arrogant, because they say with absolute certainty that there is no god. How can they know such a thing? They have to believe it on faith - and they call us irrational because of our faith?!

I’ve already answered the “arrogant” part 8 months ago, in Atheism: arrogance?. As for the “faith” part…

The theists’ problem, here, is that they prefer, in their lives, an absolute certainty without any evidence for it (e.g. creationism), rather than a huge certainty with a lot of evidence for it (e.g. evolution). They have a need to be sure. And, therefore, assume that we atheists must work the same way. Surprise: we don’t.

I, like other atheists, am not “sure”, as in 100% certainty, that there is no god. I simply see no evidence of one, and know of nothing that can’t possibly have natural causes - yes, this includes the origin of the universe, or of life. So I draw the logical conclusion: the universe is natural. I don’t have proof, but I have a lot of evidence in that direction. And none in the opposite direction (that there is some god, or intelligent designer, or that the supernatural exists).

Theists, however, are the ones who are 100% sure about something they have absolutely zero evidence for, and, not only that, they know exactly what God is like, what he wants, what he likes and dislikes (which tends to be what they like and dislike, for some reason), and so on.

It’s amazing how theists call atheists “arrogant” for stating that there is no god (because there is no evidence for the existence of one), when they are sure that there is one, and that he’s their version - not the one of the other hundreds (thousands?) of faiths around the world. And they do so without any evidence for their version, much like the other believers are sure without any evidence for their own versions. A Christian will say that the Muslims are wrong - but how can he really know for sure? A Muslim will say the opposite, and, again, with 100% certainty. Neither will stop to think that, by his own logic, he’s being incredibly arrogant by dismissing the other guy’s faith. In fact, both of them dismiss thousands of gods: all, but their own.

And, yet, it’s us atheists, the only ones who have some evidence to support our claims, and who in no way claim (or need) “100% certainties”, that are arrogant. :roll:

Deism and Pantheism

You may have heard those two words before. Haven’t you?

They’re not the same (more on that below), but both have one thing in common: Christians love to “steal” famous people from them. :)

Deism is the belief that there is a god who created the universe, but who, after that, did no more. He created the cosmos with all its natural laws, and those laws are enough to keep the universe working, without any need for “divine intervention”. Therefore, anything you see is, indeed, natural; there are no visible miracles, other than the original creation of the universe. Such a god isn’t a jealous, petty being, like the one described in the Christian Bible; he doesn’t care about judging people, creating a “heaven” or a “hell”, and would never change natural laws because of our requests — in other words, praying is not only useless, but conceited and absurd. Same thing about worshiping.

Famous deists? Well, most of the American Founding Fathers. See what I mean by “stealing”? :) American fundamentalist Christians love to say that “America is a Christian nation”, “founded on Christian principles”, and so on, when, in reality, many of the Founding Fathers didn’t believe in a “personal god” at all. Indeed, they all advocated complete separation of church and state, and some, like Thomas Jefferson, expressed doubts about the existence of a god at all.

Why were they deists instead of atheists? There’s no way to know for sure, but my guess is that, at the time, science simply wasn’t advanced enough, there were no viable scientific theories for the origin of the universe, and so it all seemed too “unexplainable” by science; therefore, some intelligent, supreme being had, necessarily, to be the source. If that is so, most Founding Fathers, if they lived today, would actually be atheists.

While deism is surely a lot more harmless (and sane) than, say, Christianity, it’s still theism: a deist does believe in an intelligent supreme being. He just believes that that being doesn’t affect our lives in any way.

Pantheism, on the other hand, is the belief that everything is God, or, to put it in another way, that the universe is God. While this includes a sense of wonder, it does not mean worship, prayer, or anything. Indeed, it doesn’t include any belief in the supernatural; if the universe is “God”, then “God” is not bigger than the universe, not apart from the universe — therefore, not supernatural.

A famous pantheist is Albert Einstein. Yes, the “God does not play dice” quote meant just this: that the universe is not ruled by randomness. Never did Einstein believe in a “personal god”, and, indeed, he was criticized by many theists, during his life, for saying so. His “god” was the universe. It was nature. “Knowing God” meant, simply, “understanding the universe”.

Unlike deism, pantheism is not theistic. It doesn’t include any supernatural entities; it just looks at the universe in a different way.

Both, let me say again, are immensely more sane than “normal” theism. No wars, crusades, inquisitions, censorship, book burnings, science bans or witch burnings have ever been started by either deists or pantheists — or atheists, for that matter. They aren’t dogmatic. They don’t let religion interfere with their lives.

But, since they’re not really “atheist”, and because they include many highly regarded historical figures, Christians, as I said, love to claim many of them as their own. Go figure. :roll:

More Americans killed in Iraq than in 9/11

See this news, for instance. The “milestone” was reached yesterday: 2,978 men and women, more than the 2,973 killed in the World Trade Center.

People killed by Al Qaeda and the Bush administration

Now, since the Iraq war never had anything to do with “terrorism”, but only with a) oil, and b) being permanently “at war”, so it’s “unpatriotic” to criticize the president / government, couldn’t we look at it this way: that the Bush administration is at least guilty of as much terrorism against America as Al Qaeda?

Sure, they’ve been slower at killing Americans - took them several years, instead of just one morning. But doing it for greed and for unchecked power isn’t a more noble motive than “72 dark-eyed virgins”. The fact that Americans still let Bush get away with this, that millions still believe he’s doing a good job… is absolutely beyond me.

Merry you-know-what

Here in Portugal it’s 2 PM right now, and in a couple of hours I’ll go and spend Christmas with my family. Before I do that, however, I want to wish you all a merry whatever-holiday-if-any-you-celebrate. :)

It may appear strange that an atheist like yours truly celebrates Christmas. However, not only is Christmas an originally pagan holiday (and much older than the supposed birth of Jesus), but, around here, it’s not really a religious holiday. We celebrate Christmas because of tradition, and as an excuse for the family to get together, possibly exchange gifts (though the increasing consumerism is certainly annoying), have a good time, and enjoy each other’s company… which, for some odd reason, is never done during the rest of the year. :roll:

So, whatever you readers celebrate, enjoy yourselves. If you don’t celebrate anything… do you really need an excuse to enjoy yourselves anyway? :)

The evidence for two different gods

A forum post by XTimmy called A lack of evidence as proof gave me this idea:

Christians, often, say that atheism requires “faith”, because we can’t prove the non-existence of God.

However…

  • What evidence is there against the existence of the Christian God? None, indeed.
  • What evidence is there for the existence of the Christian God? None, as well.
  • What evidence is there against the existence of the Flying Spaghetti Monster? None, again.
  • What evidence is there for the existence of the Flying Spaghetti Monster? You guessed it… none.

Now, dear Christians, tell me, please, why it makes sense to believe in one and not in the other. :)

Christianity isn’t special

Something which has been bugging me for a while, that I noticed in several conversations and comments (for instance, these ones by Jay Bird, and others not on this blog) is this: Christians, especially the more fundamentalist ones, believe that Christianity is special.

And I don’t mean “special” just in the sense of “well, it’s true, and the others aren’t”. I mean “special” as in being different, original. Something new. Christians believe that Christianity is unlike every other religion before and after, that its miracles were never seen before, that its teachings are original, and so on.

They aren’t.

Christianity is an offshoot of Judaism, and takes its Old Testament from it. It replaces the Judaic concept of Messiah (or “anointed one” - “Christós”, in Greek) with that of a “savior”, and no longer believes in the concept of “chosen people” that was so integral to Judaism.

Modern Christianity, though most Christians don’t realize it, does not come from Jesus, but from Saul of Tarsus, a.k.a. Paul. While managing to repudiate most of Judaism, except the parts that fit with his own beliefs, he was also able to “make” Jesus divine, without ever mentioning anything Jesus did or said. And what were his beliefs? From Wikipedia’s Mithraism article:

“The resemblances between the two hostile churches were so striking as to impress even the minds of antiquity” (Cumont, 193). Like Origen (an early Christian writer and in this respect a peculiarity among the other patristic writers), Mithraism held that all souls pre-existed in the ethereal regions with God, and inhabited a body upon birth. Similar to Pythagorean, Jewish, and Pauline theology, life then becomes the great struggle between good and evil, spirit and body, ending in judgment, with the elect being saved. “They both admitted to the existence of a heaven inhabited by beautiful ones. . .and a hell peopled by demons situate in the bowels of earth” (Cumont 191).

Both religions used the rite of baptism, and each participated in an outwardly similar type of sacrament, bread and wine. Both Mithra and Christ were supposedly visited by shepherds and Magi. It has been claimed that both Mithraism and Christianity considered Sunday their holy day, though for different reasons, although the evidence that Mithradists practiced weekly worship, any more than any other pagan religion of the time, is lacking. Many have noted that the title of Pope (father) is found in Mithraic doctrine and seemingly prohibited in Christian doctrine. The words Peter (rock) and mass (sacrament) have significance in Mithraism.

Mithraism and early Christianity considered abstinence, celibacy, and self-control to be among their highest virtues. Both had similar beliefs about the world, destiny, heaven and hell, and the immortality of the soul. Their conceptions of the battles between good and evil were similar (though Mithraism was more dualistic), including a great and final battle at the end of times. Mithraism’s flood at the beginning of history was deemed necessary because what began in water would end in fire, according to Mithraic eschatology. Both religions believed in revelation as key to their doctrine. Both awaited the last judgment and resurrection of the dead.

Nice, isn’t it? But there’s more.

Most Christian holidays were “stolen” from pagan religions. December 25th, for instance, was the day of the celebration of Sol Invictus in Rome. Early Roman Christianity, in fact, has a lot to do with the cult of Sol Invictus, and virtually nothing to do with a guy called Jesus who lived about 300 years ago on a distant part of the Empire.

(Incidentally, the holy day was moved, at that time, from Saturday (the Sabbath) to Sunday. SUN-day. Sound familiar?)

The Catholic worship of the Virgin Mary was little more than a way to absorb the pagan cult of the Goddess into Christianity. Of course, I don’t think many Catholics realize it these days.

Before Jesus, mythical characters like Dionysus, Romulus or (again) Mithras had similar stories: born of a virgin impregnated by a god, turned water into wine, healed the sick, died and resurrected after 3 days, and so on. Early Christian storytellers, it seems, were unable even to invent new plots.

One could say that Jesus’ teachings are original. It has been argued, however, that some depictions of him as meek (”turn the other cheek”, “render unto Ceasar”, and so on) were introduced there to please a mostly Roman world; if you suffer, remain meek and obey your rulers, and wait for something better after you die. Besides, some parts of the NT contradict that depiction (e.g. Luke 22:36, where Jesus tells his followers to buy a sword).

If Christianity has one thing different from all other current religions, it’s its popularity. Of course, that same popularity has caused an interesting effect: from time to time, someone decides that the Christianity around him isn’t real Christianity, and that he will recreate “the real thing”. This has happened for about 2000 years, and so there are probably thousands or surviving variants (I’m not even counting the ones that didn’t survive) of Christianity around. Some just diverge on minor points, others are so different that the only thing they have in common is that some guy called “Jesus” was pretty important to them (and even that particular point isn’t strictly required). Therefore, if we were to be precise, there’s not such a thing as “Christianity”; it’s a type of religions, not a religion.

Anyway, my point is: Christianity isn’t special at all. There’s nothing in it that hasn’t been seen before, and people in Western countries (even many non-Christians) only think of it as “special” because of their lack of knowledge.

And now for something completely different…

I haven’t cross-promoted the two parts of Way of the Mind a lot (this blog, and the forum), because it can get annoying (”see, a new forum thread! look, a new blog post!”). But this one is simply too good to be missed. :)

The author is anonymous, so I have reproduced it in the forum. I hope you enjoy it as much as I did. And if it makes you join the forum, so much the better. :)

Accepting the opposing viewpoint for the sake of argument

On the previous post, I quoted Ebon Musings, and one of the quoted parts was the following:

Consider honestly the possibility that you might be wrong, accept the opposing viewpoint for the sake of argument, and then ask yourself: Does the evidence make more sense from this perspective? Is the world I live in the one I would expect to see if this hypothesis is true, or is this the world I would expect under its negation?

I believe that part is so important that it deserves a post of its own. :)

Now, answer me honestly: how often do you do the above? How many times in your life have you stopped to consider an opposing point of view, an opposing theory, hypothesis, or explanation, and actually thought about whether it better explains the universe around you? Whether it is simpler, and you need to come up with fewer rationalizations or exceptions of your own?

Though this is certainly not related just to religion (we could easily apply it to politics, for instance), consider the following example: young earth creationism.

A young earth creationist (YEC), these days, has a lot of explaining to do. He believes in the Bible, literally; to him, it’s, by definition, the absolute truth. Therefore, anything that happens differently, must either be ignored, or explained somehow.

If you know YECs, how many times have you heard “explanations” such as:

  • “God made the fossils appear much older to scientific tests in order to test our faith.”
  • “When God created the stars, he made it so that the light from them was already arriving at the Earth, and so they appear much older.”

… and so on?

Now, do you believe that an YEC has actually, ever, stopped to think about the opposing point of view? And, sincerely, wondered if that other explanation doesn’t fit reality around him much better, and without the need for so many excuses, exceptions, explanations, and so on? Whether - frighteningly enough - “the other side” might actually be on to something?

I doubt it. :(

As I said, this doesn’t apply just to religion. There are many times when we should stop for a minute and consider “the other side”’s position, just to see if it fits with what you see. Stop demonizing your opponent for a moment, and think about his reasons for his viewpoint. You may find out that you’re right… or that you’re wrong. Either way, you learn and improve.

It’s a rare “skill”, though…

Ebon Musings: "A Much Greater God"

This is, in a way, a response to a pair of comments by Jon in my previous post. Jon agrees that the theists’ gods are too small and obviously man-invented, but that that doesn’t discount the possibility of a “real” god, a much greater intelligence, to which we are like amoeba are to us, and therefore incapable of understanding.

I could write about it, but I don’t believe in reinventing the wheel :), and, besides, there’s an essay at Ebon Musings that is better and clearer than what I could write right now. It’s called A Much Greater God, and I will quote from it (it’s much longer, and doesn’t start with the part I’m quoting; I really suggest you read the whole of it.)

Consider honestly the possibility that you might be wrong, accept the opposing viewpoint for the sake of argument, and then ask yourself: Does the evidence make more sense from this perspective? Is the world I live in the one I would expect to see if this hypothesis is true, or is this the world I would expect under its negation?

As an atheist, I too must face this possibility. What if I am wrong? What if there really is a deity somewhere out there?

I cannot discount this possibility out of hand. Granted, I have never seen any supernatural event occur, and the regularity of natural law gives me strong reason to believe none ever have or will, but that is an inductive argument, and induction by its nature can never give absolute proof. Even if a proposition has always held true within the realm of our experience, we are never justified in concluding with complete certainty that the same will always be true at all places and all times.

However, given that there is a bare possibility I could be wrong, the question arises - what next? That possibility alone offers no guide to finding out what the truth actually is. Assuming one of the religions in this world is correct, how would I find that out? Where would I begin my search? Without any a priori judgment as to which religion is correct - which is, after all, what I am presumably trying to determine - it seems the only thing to do would be to select and examine them randomly, but this is clearly unsatisfactory. Even if one of the religions in this world was the true one, I would probably never find it by this method. As “The Cosmic Shell Game” argues, there are so many religions on this planet that one lifetime would not be enough to examine all or even most of them in any acceptable level of detail.

Nevertheless, of the ones I have studied so far, my preliminary conclusion is that they are all incorrect; I have examined them and found them wanting. Most religions championed by people were obviously invented by people, and the tenets of their belief betray their origins. Their gods are just like human beings, only slightly larger. They become angry and then forgive, they show jealousy and favoritism, they can be surprised, disgusted, grieved or dismayed, they bear grudges and love those who stroke their egos, and they are capable of both tremendous good and terrible evil. The way most religions reflect the prejudices of their creators is all too obvious: what these people imagine to be a window through which they can see God is in truth a mirror held up to their own faces. We human beings are the contingent result of millions of years of evolution, our emotions arising from neurotransmitters secreted by our glands, our behavior influenced by primitive impulses of territoriality, kinship, pleasure and aggression, and our brain shaped and conditioned by countless thousands of chance events during our species’ history - and we have the temerity to believe that God would think and act just like us?

These anthropomorphic belief systems can be safely discounted. In fact, I would confidently say that all the religions propounded by human beings so far throughout our species’ history are most likely false. I have not examined each and every one of them in exhaustive detail, but as one belief system after another falls before skeptical scrutiny, as supernaturalism fails test after test, there comes a point when we are justified in forming an inductive generalization. Until and unless better evidence for one belief system turns up, we are within our rights to consider them all untrue.

But just because the religions created by humans are false, it does not logically follow that there is no deity at all. What if there is something out there, something that no one has discovered yet, something we have all overlooked simply because it is too vast and too unlike us? Beyond the savagery and the madness, beyond the fervent hopes and hot-headed delusions, beyond the pretenses and the postures - beyond the human-created religions that are above all else too small, viewing this world, this dust speck, this pale blue dot - or even one small local region of it - as the all-important stage on which the cosmic drama is played out, while the entire inconceivable vastness of the rest of the universe is simply a backdrop - beyond all this, could there be a much greater god? Could there be an entity “whose dreams are constellations”, as Robert Ingersoll put it, and whose individual flashing neurons are suns? When we look into the night sky, could we be viewing the latticework of thought on a scale beyond our comprehension? Could the entire universe be merely a fleeting idea in the mind of a being so vast we could not recognize it for what it is any more than an ant could recognize a skyscraper as the product of design?

This is the god of the cosmic microwave background radiation, of the universal expansion, of the vast star-forming nebulae and the cataclysmic explosions of stellar death, of the great walls of galaxies and the even more enormous voids. If cosmologists ever find a god, it will be this one, not the tiny god of Moses who thought that parting a miniscule amount of water on an insignificant planet so a single tribe could pass unhindered was a great miracle - that god is a child making sandcastles on the beach. This god, if it exists, would be large enough to fit the universe.

Near the end, he goes on to say:

I am not saying I believe in the being outlined in this essay; I do not. The disadvantage of a god that is too vast for us to recognize is that we cannot recognize it. It is difficult even to imagine what would count as evidence for the existence of such a being, and in the absence of such evidence, logically we must go with the simpler explanation. I acknowledge the possibility that a greater god exists, but possibility is not the same as proof, and until truly convincing evidence turns up, I will and must remain an atheist.

Note: I usually don’t quote so much from other sites, but I believe that, in this case, it’s more than deserved. :) If you have the time and inclination, I suggest you read the essay in full, it’s worth it.

Theism, Agnosticism and Atheism: a metaphor

I’d love to, but I can’t claim credit for this one. It’s written by Rene, and you can find it in a long discussion thread called Why does agnosticism piss off atheists?, which I found by chance.

His metaphor is, in my opinion, brilliant:

It seems a theist might be equated to someone who was told there is an elephant in his garage and this elephant is the most important thing in his life, but don’t bother looking in the garage; you won’t be able to see him. The theist accepts the elephant and his importance, never even tries to look in the garage and dutifully goes to church and worships his invisible elephant every Sunday.

The agnostic is told the same thing as the theist. He goes and looks in the garage and does not see anything. Since he cannot see the elephant he states he does not believe in it, but at the same time, he does not disbelieve. After all he might not be very good at elephant spotting. The elephant, being gray might blend into the gray walls of the garage; he just can’t sure about this elephant in the garage, and oh by the way, he had heard there were reports of elephants in Africa, so he imagined elephants in garages are at least theoretically possible, so he would not want to rule out this possibility.

The atheist is told the same thing as the theist and agnostic. He goes and looks in the garage and does not see any elephants. He states flatly that there is no elephant in the garage. He has heard about the elephants in Africa, but feels certain one would not be hanging around in his garage and would certainly not be the most important thing in his life, if it were.




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