Comments on: The price of freedom http://www.wayofthemind.org/2006/11/27/the-price-of-freedom/ Thu, 20 Nov 2008 15:25:40 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: beepbeepitsme http://www.wayofthemind.org/2006/11/27/the-price-of-freedom/#comment-4991 beepbeepitsme Tue, 05 Dec 2006 21:29:20 +0000 http://www.wayofthemind.org/2006/11/27/the-price-of-freedom/#comment-4991 Like a lot of quotes which are repeated often, its vagueness is what lends itself to interpretations of many kinds. The quote disected doesn't mean the right to wiretap, invade, imprison or any of the other actions that some people use the quote to justify. The way it is used by some people is to express this. " My idea of what freedom is must be protected from those whose idea of freedom is contrary to mine." Or, "The freedom to disagree with what I say freedom is, must be discouraged." Like a lot of quotes which are repeated often, its vagueness is what lends itself to interpretations of many kinds.

The quote disected doesn’t mean the right to wiretap, invade, imprison or any of the other actions that some people use the quote to justify.

The way it is used by some people is to express this. ” My idea of what freedom is must be protected from those whose idea of freedom is contrary to mine.” Or, “The freedom to disagree with what I say freedom is, must be discouraged.”

]]> By: the daily phosdex http://www.wayofthemind.org/2006/11/27/the-price-of-freedom/#comment-4990 the daily phosdex Tue, 05 Dec 2006 19:15:40 +0000 http://www.wayofthemind.org/2006/11/27/the-price-of-freedom/#comment-4990 The version I've heard is "eternal vigilance is the price of liberty." The version I’ve heard is “eternal vigilance is the price of liberty.”

]]> By: Kren http://www.wayofthemind.org/2006/11/27/the-price-of-freedom/#comment-4922 Kren Sat, 02 Dec 2006 08:56:29 +0000 http://www.wayofthemind.org/2006/11/27/the-price-of-freedom/#comment-4922 Sneaky is their way. This is not news. As I've said before "...Jedi's know that." Further, I've thought about all of that and further. IMO, there was much more planning involved than that. GROOMING the public to accept. So beautiful it must be to have a big business right now. Sneaky is their way. This is not news.
As I’ve said before “…Jedi’s know that.”

Further, I’ve thought about all of that and further.
IMO, there was much more planning involved than that.
GROOMING the public to accept.

So beautiful it must be to have a big business right now.

]]> By: Jane http://www.wayofthemind.org/2006/11/27/the-price-of-freedom/#comment-4914 Jane Fri, 01 Dec 2006 19:25:30 +0000 http://www.wayofthemind.org/2006/11/27/the-price-of-freedom/#comment-4914 I think it was Benjamin Franklin who said something like, "He who is willing to sacrifice essential liberties for temporary safety deserves neither freedom or safety." I probably butchered it, but you get the idea. I think it was Benjamin Franklin who said something like, “He who is willing to sacrifice essential liberties for temporary safety deserves neither freedom or safety.” I probably butchered it, but you get the idea.

]]> By: Pedro Timóteo http://www.wayofthemind.org/2006/11/27/the-price-of-freedom/#comment-4884 Pedro Timóteo Wed, 29 Nov 2006 13:46:18 +0000 http://www.wayofthemind.org/2006/11/27/the-price-of-freedom/#comment-4884 Oh, don't misunderstand me. I never said that people in government have any kind of good intentions. They certainly do whatever they can to remain in power, to take away our freedoms, and to make people as ignorant and sheep-like as they can (reminds me of religion, oddly enough ;)). When I say that things do become better, it's <i>despite</i> those people, not thanks to them. And I mean things like, for instance, the fact that I have very little chance of being burned at the stake for heresy these days <small>(unless I go to certain places in the world, which I have no intention of ever doing)</small>. It's things like these that I meant. But we'd better not go <i>there</i> again... :) Oh, don’t misunderstand me. I never said that people in government have any kind of good intentions. They certainly do whatever they can to remain in power, to take away our freedoms, and to make people as ignorant and sheep-like as they can (reminds me of religion, oddly enough ;)).

When I say that things do become better, it’s despite those people, not thanks to them. And I mean things like, for instance, the fact that I have very little chance of being burned at the stake for heresy these days (unless I go to certain places in the world, which I have no intention of ever doing). It’s things like these that I meant. But we’d better not go there again… :)

]]> By: TXStorm http://www.wayofthemind.org/2006/11/27/the-price-of-freedom/#comment-4883 TXStorm Wed, 29 Nov 2006 13:39:55 +0000 http://www.wayofthemind.org/2006/11/27/the-price-of-freedom/#comment-4883 Oh I agree that they are misleading, and that at best most folks are mindless sheep... After all this all goes back to my refutation that things are always getting better.. :) Oh I agree that they are misleading, and that at best most folks are mindless sheep… After all this all goes back to my refutation that things are always getting better.. :)

]]> By: Pedro Timóteo http://www.wayofthemind.org/2006/11/27/the-price-of-freedom/#comment-4882 Pedro Timóteo Wed, 29 Nov 2006 13:14:25 +0000 http://www.wayofthemind.org/2006/11/27/the-price-of-freedom/#comment-4882 But they say they're doing it in the name of "freedom", of course... and most people don't notice it. But they say they’re doing it in the name of “freedom”, of course… and most people don’t notice it.

]]> By: TXStorm http://www.wayofthemind.org/2006/11/27/the-price-of-freedom/#comment-4879 TXStorm Wed, 29 Nov 2006 05:12:32 +0000 http://www.wayofthemind.org/2006/11/27/the-price-of-freedom/#comment-4879 The problem is translating this as an identity relation rather than as conditional. The correct translation is not A=B but rather B->A (B therefore A, or If "freedom" then "eternal vigilance") Freedom requires vigilance but is not identical to vigilance. The statists are vigilant, but obviously they are vigilant about promoting the state and denying freedom. The problem is translating this as an identity relation rather than as conditional. The correct translation is not A=B but rather B->A (B therefore A, or If “freedom” then “eternal vigilance”)

Freedom requires vigilance but is not identical to vigilance. The statists are vigilant, but obviously they are vigilant about promoting the state and denying freedom.

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