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	<title>Comments on: A Reply to An Open-hearted Christian Reply to Atheism (part 2)</title>
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		<title>By: Jenssen</title>
		<link>http://www.wayofthemind.org/2006/08/24/a-reply-to-an-open-hearted-christian-reply-to-atheism-part-2/#comment-2555</link>
		<dc:creator>Jenssen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Aug 2006 01:32:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No point in commenting when you agree with everything being said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No point in commenting when you agree with everything being said.</p>
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		<title>By: TXStorm</title>
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		<dc:creator>TXStorm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Aug 2006 22:08:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I could add my last meta-level comment in the response to the "Open hearted-xn" The effort to defend religion and faith seems to want to employ reason and evidence to disprove reason  and evidence. Of course this is doomed to failure not merely because it undermines itself, but also because it requires denying everything at all, including this god notion.. 

As to other points, how arrogant is it for one to assume that a particular flavor is more pleasurable for everyone than all others? This is of course what is being said when he asserts that teh cream filling of god's gifts or whatnot, are the most pleasurable for everyone... I contend that I find the greatest pleasure from using my mind, in learning and gaining knowledge, with far less pleasure to be gained from participating in illusions... no matter how many people who see only the illusions tell me that this is the greatest pleasure I can experience.. Very reminiscient of Plato's Cave.. They see shadows while living in the dark and deny that anyone who has left the cave has experienced more or better.. 

As to faith being equal to knowledge and reality, I would have gone further and pointed out that in collapsing the distinction between the fictional or non-existent and reality, he offers direct argument for the existence of all manners of beings, including the gods of other religions.. .(as well as Peter Pan, the Cookie Monster, and Speed Racer..)

"The corruption of the world makes people evil, greedy, self-centered, and uncaring, to name a few." Hmm... perhaps he is correct, but then wouldn't this be one of the more pragmatic reasons for OPPOSING religion and faith? After all experience demonstrates to us that power leads to those negatives, and religion claims to have the greatest power of all...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I could add my last meta-level comment in the response to the &#8220;Open hearted-xn&#8221; The effort to defend religion and faith seems to want to employ reason and evidence to disprove reason  and evidence. Of course this is doomed to failure not merely because it undermines itself, but also because it requires denying everything at all, including this god notion.. </p>
<p>As to other points, how arrogant is it for one to assume that a particular flavor is more pleasurable for everyone than all others? This is of course what is being said when he asserts that teh cream filling of god&#8217;s gifts or whatnot, are the most pleasurable for everyone&#8230; I contend that I find the greatest pleasure from using my mind, in learning and gaining knowledge, with far less pleasure to be gained from participating in illusions&#8230; no matter how many people who see only the illusions tell me that this is the greatest pleasure I can experience.. Very reminiscient of Plato&#8217;s Cave.. They see shadows while living in the dark and deny that anyone who has left the cave has experienced more or better.. </p>
<p>As to faith being equal to knowledge and reality, I would have gone further and pointed out that in collapsing the distinction between the fictional or non-existent and reality, he offers direct argument for the existence of all manners of beings, including the gods of other religions.. .(as well as Peter Pan, the Cookie Monster, and Speed Racer..)</p>
<p>&#8220;The corruption of the world makes people evil, greedy, self-centered, and uncaring, to name a few.&#8221; Hmm&#8230; perhaps he is correct, but then wouldn&#8217;t this be one of the more pragmatic reasons for OPPOSING religion and faith? After all experience demonstrates to us that power leads to those negatives, and religion claims to have the greatest power of all&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Pedro Timóteo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pedro Timóteo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Aug 2006 21:35:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, no comments on this one? :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, no comments on this one? <img src='http://www.wayofthemind.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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