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	<title>Comments on: Work: being productive&#8230; or keeping busy? (part 2)</title>
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		<title>By: beinuounk</title>
		<link>http://www.wayofthemind.org/2005/09/09/work-being-productive-or-keeping-busy-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-59719</link>
		<dc:creator>beinuounk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 02:33:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dude you know what I'm talking about! soy desole</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dude you know what I&#8217;m talking about! soy desole</p>
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		<title>By: Dehumanizer</title>
		<link>http://www.wayofthemind.org/2005/09/09/work-being-productive-or-keeping-busy-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-132</link>
		<dc:creator>Dehumanizer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2005 10:38:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gerald: great reply. I hadn't thought of it in that way: that either he's incompetent and doesn't understand me, or he does understand, but knows his own boss doesn't, and doesn't want the effort of explaining to him that "this guy's work is technical, not physical, ya see?".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gerald: great reply. I hadn&#8217;t thought of it in that way: that either he&#8217;s incompetent and doesn&#8217;t understand me, or he does understand, but knows his own boss doesn&#8217;t, and doesn&#8217;t want the effort of explaining to him that &#8220;this guy&#8217;s work is technical, not physical, ya see?&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Kanzentai</title>
		<link>http://www.wayofthemind.org/2005/09/09/work-being-productive-or-keeping-busy-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-131</link>
		<dc:creator>Kanzentai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Sep 2005 23:07:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, they've managed to bring themselves up from their defeat in the 2 world wars. Today, Germany is one of the strongest countries worldwide.

We should learn from them, eh? (starting world wars excluded [no xenophobic remark intended])</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, they&#8217;ve managed to bring themselves up from their defeat in the 2 world wars. Today, Germany is one of the strongest countries worldwide.</p>
<p>We should learn from them, eh? (starting world wars excluded [no xenophobic remark intended])</p>
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		<title>By: velvetsatine</title>
		<link>http://www.wayofthemind.org/2005/09/09/work-being-productive-or-keeping-busy-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-130</link>
		<dc:creator>velvetsatine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Sep 2005 20:16:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe you're quite right on your criticism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe you&#8217;re quite right on your criticism.</p>
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		<title>By: Gerald</title>
		<link>http://www.wayofthemind.org/2005/09/09/work-being-productive-or-keeping-busy-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-129</link>
		<dc:creator>Gerald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Sep 2005 19:39:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This situation is usually caused by a boss that doesn't know the detail of the job his/her staff do, or a weak boss.

The unknowledgeable boss figures that people sat on their asses can't be working hard.  Most of us these days are knowledge workers, which means plenty of time either thinking or researching, but the unknowledgeable boss can't tell the difference between thinking about solutions and thinking about college football, so he prefers to see manual work.  He is bad for the business.

The weak boss knows the details of the job, but also knows that his own boss does not.  So rather than have to defend what he knows is good work, he goes for the easy option of not having to defend bad work.  The weak boss is more annoying because he knows what is right but doesn't do it.  The weak boss is bad for business.

The solution is artisan management.  This was the German model for the last 200 years and has always served them very well.  Engineering companies have an engineer as CEO, chemical companies have chemists.  It has been changing over the last 20 years with the US influence, and it is probably not a change for the better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This situation is usually caused by a boss that doesn&#8217;t know the detail of the job his/her staff do, or a weak boss.</p>
<p>The unknowledgeable boss figures that people sat on their asses can&#8217;t be working hard.  Most of us these days are knowledge workers, which means plenty of time either thinking or researching, but the unknowledgeable boss can&#8217;t tell the difference between thinking about solutions and thinking about college football, so he prefers to see manual work.  He is bad for the business.</p>
<p>The weak boss knows the details of the job, but also knows that his own boss does not.  So rather than have to defend what he knows is good work, he goes for the easy option of not having to defend bad work.  The weak boss is more annoying because he knows what is right but doesn&#8217;t do it.  The weak boss is bad for business.</p>
<p>The solution is artisan management.  This was the German model for the last 200 years and has always served them very well.  Engineering companies have an engineer as CEO, chemical companies have chemists.  It has been changing over the last 20 years with the US influence, and it is probably not a change for the better.</p>
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		<title>By: Kanzentai</title>
		<link>http://www.wayofthemind.org/2005/09/09/work-being-productive-or-keeping-busy-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-124</link>
		<dc:creator>Kanzentai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Sep 2005 06:49:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The main issue is people're used to the idea that working requires motion!

I think justice could've been made in such case if you all had put up a boardgame in the server and took turns throwing the dice or something (playful example).

The point is to complain about being a victim of discrimination when you actually are! The Linux team would be totally right to complain about their work not being as appreciated as the Windows team's.

In the USA, if the boss didn't do anything about it, they'd sue (and with a good reason!)!

Asking "Mr xxxxxxxx, why aren't we earning as much as our Windows counterparts?" would've been a pretty good start, with the whole team present, too.

Anyway, it's 7:49 AM... and a big butterfly has just risen from the dead, so I'll have to go and kill it... again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The main issue is people&#8217;re used to the idea that working requires motion!</p>
<p>I think justice could&#8217;ve been made in such case if you all had put up a boardgame in the server and took turns throwing the dice or something (playful example).</p>
<p>The point is to complain about being a victim of discrimination when you actually are! The Linux team would be totally right to complain about their work not being as appreciated as the Windows team&#8217;s.</p>
<p>In the USA, if the boss didn&#8217;t do anything about it, they&#8217;d sue (and with a good reason!)!</p>
<p>Asking &#8220;Mr xxxxxxxx, why aren&#8217;t we earning as much as our Windows counterparts?&#8221; would&#8217;ve been a pretty good start, with the whole team present, too.</p>
<p>Anyway, it&#8217;s 7:49 AM&#8230; and a big butterfly has just risen from the dead, so I&#8217;ll have to go and kill it&#8230; again.</p>
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		<title>By: Kanzentai</title>
		<link>http://www.wayofthemind.org/2005/09/09/work-being-productive-or-keeping-busy-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-123</link>
		<dc:creator>Kanzentai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Sep 2005 06:39:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe the point should've been brought up then :)

Ask said boss to run a test on the servers for a month, or something :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe the point should&#8217;ve been brought up then <img src='http://www.wayofthemind.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Ask said boss to run a test on the servers for a month, or something <img src='http://www.wayofthemind.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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