Comments on: Fanaticism http://www.wayofthemind.org/2005/08/25/fanaticism/ Tue, 06 Jan 2009 09:24:13 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: Brayton http://www.wayofthemind.org/2005/08/25/fanaticism/comment-page-1/#comment-2529 Brayton Tue, 29 Aug 2006 02:44:44 +0000 http://www.wayofthemind.org/?p=38#comment-2529 Fanaticism defined in its simplest form is ignorance and as such should be deemed lesser than those who are willing to open their mind to new ideas. case and point. lol and it is impossible to argue with a fanatic ive learned that theres no point in it. what choice do we have? Fanaticism defined in its simplest form is ignorance and as such should be deemed lesser than those who are willing to open their mind to new ideas. case and point.

lol and it is impossible to argue with a fanatic ive learned that theres no point in it.
what choice do we have?

]]> By: Dehumanizer http://www.wayofthemind.org/2005/08/25/fanaticism/comment-page-1/#comment-87 Dehumanizer Thu, 25 Aug 2005 20:16:46 +0000 http://www.wayofthemind.org/?p=38#comment-87 Great comment! :) But I think your examples at the end are a different subject, though they're also good (I actually thought about another exception, when writing the entry: being in an army, during a war). I don't think, however, that defending myself, or my loved ones, up to the point of killing my/their would-be murderer, is related to fanaticism at all. The point is <i>defense</i>. Fanaticism would be, perhaps, being so obsessed with your loved ones' safety that you'd go around killing any perceived threat: <i>"hmm, that guy looked at her sideways..."</i> Great comment! :)

But I think your examples at the end are a different subject, though they’re also good (I actually thought about another exception, when writing the entry: being in an army, during a war).

I don’t think, however, that defending myself, or my loved ones, up to the point of killing my/their would-be murderer, is related to fanaticism at all. The point is defense. Fanaticism would be, perhaps, being so obsessed with your loved ones’ safety that you’d go around killing any perceived threat: “hmm, that guy looked at her sideways…”

]]> By: Elektra http://www.wayofthemind.org/2005/08/25/fanaticism/comment-page-1/#comment-86 Elektra Thu, 25 Aug 2005 19:56:09 +0000 http://www.wayofthemind.org/?p=38#comment-86 Of course “It’s absolutely impossible to argue with a fanatic” as per definition fanaticism is “excessive intolerance of opposing views”. The words “excessive” and “intolerant” are the Keywords here. Fanatics, as they are “intolerant”, will ever tolerate or think about another’s idea about the object of their obsession. My belief is that they also don’t exactly know the reason why they fanatically defend the object; they just repeat other’s arguments to those that face them with different ideas. Because? … If they were rational, and as you mentioned: they're not, as individuals they would surely accept at least to “think about” other’s ideas, and find their own arguments to stand for their beliefs without getting furious about it, intolerance leads them that way, they don’t accept that “someone as different opinion on the subject”, otherwise, instead of getting furious they would simply say: “I don’t agree with you but I accept that you might think differently” or say something like: “I agree on that point/I disagree on that point because…” Regarding “being ready to die for a belief…” paragraph, If I understood what you mean by being ready to die for it doesn’t make you a fanatic, but being ready to kill for it does make you, and my doubt is about the italics on the “kill” word… I’d be ready to “kill for”, but not because someone disagrees me on a subject. The thing is you say: “…or intensely love something or someone..” if someone severally injuries the ones I love, although I have never been faced with it, I’d say I would be “ready to kill” or even worst… but if you’re thinking about a passion or belief in some other ways, then I would say I’d fight till the end for my ideals but only if the opposite worth the effort,, like something that would bring several injuries to the humanity or innocent. or likewise. Of course “It’s absolutely impossible to argue with a fanatic” as per definition fanaticism is “excessive intolerance of opposing views”. The words “excessive” and “intolerant” are the Keywords here. Fanatics, as they are “intolerant”, will ever tolerate or think about another’s idea about the object of their obsession. My belief is that they also don’t exactly know the reason why they fanatically defend the object; they just repeat other’s arguments to those that face them with different ideas. Because? … If they were rational, and as you mentioned: they’re not, as individuals they would surely accept at least to “think about” other’s ideas, and find their own arguments to stand for their beliefs without getting furious about it, intolerance leads them that way, they don’t accept that “someone as different opinion on the subject”, otherwise, instead of getting furious they would simply say: “I don’t agree with you but I accept that you might think differently” or say something like: “I agree on that point/I disagree on that point because…”

Regarding “being ready to die for a belief…” paragraph, If I understood what you mean by being ready to die for it doesn’t make you a fanatic, but being ready to kill for it does make you, and my doubt is about the italics on the “kill” word… I’d be ready to “kill for”, but not because someone disagrees me on a subject. The thing is you say: “…or intensely love something or someone..” if someone severally injuries the ones I love, although I have never been faced with it, I’d say I would be “ready to kill” or even worst… but if you’re thinking about a passion or belief in some other ways, then I would say I’d fight till the end for my ideals but only if the opposite worth the effort,, like something that would bring several injuries to the humanity or innocent. or likewise.

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